See You On The Other Side

97 | Buckle Up Friends...We're Back

• Leah & Christine • Season 4 • Episode 97

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We're back! After dusting off our microphones ~ cobwebs and all ~ we've returned from our very long hiatus with a renewed sense of purpose and clarity about who we are and what we're meant to do.

This break wasn't just about rest; it was a necessary reset that allowed us to step away from the algorithm-chasing hamster wheel and reconnect with our authentic voices. The social media pressure had turned our passion project into a draining full-time job on top of our already full-time roles as moms. During our time away, our friendship deepened through uncomfortable but necessary conversations, and we gained powerful insights about ourselves and this journey we're meant to be on.

So here we are, ready to embrace our true purpose: creating space for paradigm-shifting conversations that challenge black-and-white thinking. We are here to question reality and help others see beyond illusions by sharing multiple viewpoints and showing there is more than one way of seeing things. Together, we're inviting you into the gray areas where growth happens, even when ~ especially when ~ it feels uncomfortable.

Season 4 brings exciting changes! We're shifting our focus from traditional social media (which we've found increasingly toxic) to Patreon. A platform where we can connect more authentically with people who genuinely resonate with our message and we can create community for deeper discussions in a safe space.

Our foundational ethos remains: be open and stay curious. We're not afraid to tackle challenging topics or invite perspectives we don't fully agree with. The invitation is to approach differences with an open mind and heart, remembering that disagreement doesn't make someone wrong or right, good or bad ~ it simply reflects our unique life experiences.

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Leah:

It's time to dust off the old mics, Literally. I was vacuuming cobwebs off of these last night. Austin was helping me. He's like I'm not touching that.

Christine:

When did we record our last?

Leah:

Well, so our last one came out in December, but we recorded before that because we had batched them. So I think it's been maybe 10 months in December, but we recorded before that because we had batched them, oh, wow. So I think it's been maybe 10 months. Wow, it's been a long time. First off, surprise, surprise surprise, surprise Hi everybody Guess who's back Back again Sayoto's back.

Christine:

Tell a friend Holy shit it's been a minute.

Leah:

It feels weird. It feels very strange. Tell them what you just saw on your phone, though.

Christine:

Oh, your memories. Yeah, you know how your phone, like your iPhone, pulls up like we'll make a random album or video. So today, this is what pulled up, and it's just a bunch of pictures of you and I. That's right and I love that, or is it? No, it's not coincidental. Anyways, we've missed you all.

Leah:

Where have we been?

Christine:

How do we even start? Well, how about this? Okay, let's talk about why we decided to take a break. Okay, and get deeper into that.

Leah:

I think we did this not knowing whether or not we would come back or when we would come back or what I just said. If we would come back, we wanted to leave that door open and I think, especially with what was going on last year. We recorded our last episode in November, before the election. I do remember that it was before the election happened and just watching what was happening in real time. We wanted to take a break from social media. We wanted to take a break from this because of burnout and we I think we talked about that in our last episode just how, like, how much time and energy we put into what we're doing and how little return we're getting and it's not it's not to say what we do doesn't feel good, but it started to turn into a full-time job and we're both full-time moms.

Christine:

Yeah, I think that's a good. I think too, um, you know, after our mushroom journeys and you know us getting into plant medicine, we were very excited to share our experiences and talk about things that maybe a lot of people didn't talk about at the time. I think it's obviously becoming more common and mainstream now.

Leah:

If it's not, where have you been? Are you living under a?

Christine:

rock, but also during that time, I think we lost our sense of ourselves a little bit, in our purpose. We had a lot of people who were helping us and obviously very grateful that they helped us, but it was like it turned into okay, you have to follow the algorithm and this is what you do and this is how many times you post and this is the kind type of content you'd need to post.

Christine:

And these are what's trending right now, and hop on the trends before they take off and I think for you and I, it took some time away to realize that that wasn't us, and part of our burnout was not always feeling like we were showing up authentically and I think even too, like we've brought a lot of human design into it and with you being a manifester, me being a projector if you are either of those design types, hopefully you understand that.

Christine:

I think sometimes it's okay to not go with the algorithm or to not go with what's trending and to learn how to go with the ebbs and flows of what you are feeling and that be okay and, um, honestly, fuck the algorithm and learning to show up in a way that is authentic and if it doesn't feel authentic, you don't have to show up, and I think we're missing a lot of that on social media right now.

Christine:

It also got to a point for me personally where I just felt really burnt out, specifically on Instagram. I'm not really on Facebook, I am on TikTok and I kind of have a different opinion on TikTok because I'm not necessarily following many people that I know, or vice versa. I feel like that is more of a social media platform that is curated, where what you post the people who it resonates with will find you, and I don't feel like Instagram is that. I feel like Instagram has not been the vibe for me lately. Um, and I've kind of struggled with that Cause a lot of times it's like people you do know, um, I've I just think it's become a really um, kind of a toxic platform.

Leah:

If I'm going to be quite honest, I also have to say that part of what you're saying has nothing to do with politics.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

It's. It's a very different. Instagram has a very different energy. Yes, and I I think taking a break from it, because I we took a break from it for the podcast, but we also took a break from it personally.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

And it felt really good.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

Yeah, and it felt really good. Yeah, but explain what you mean by Instagram being toxic and what you think now, because I think it took like seeing someone else saying it, for us to be like oh my God, that resonates yeah, so when we started this podcast, it was um a lot of focus on instagram and not really any focus on tiktok because we're just elder millennials because I don't know how to work work this app, and then it got to a point where it was easier to find our people on TikTok accidentally, without trying as hard, is what I kind of.

Christine:

And we've learned Because, again, I think, another thing bringing human design into it we are three fives and so what you've taught me is that we are meant to reach a broader audience, and I think tiktok is that platform our impact as a five is more impersonal and it it just means elaborate, what that means yeah.

Leah:

so, um, as a three five, we are like the experimenters, is the three part of us and the five if you don't know human design, I'm so sorry like fast forward, like 30 seconds. And the five part of us is like the liberator, the martyr, the um heretic, like we experiment and then we talk about it and that talking about it is our gift to the world, to the external world, and we are meant to talk about it in a broader audience, a very impersonal audience, because what we have to share, our close people are not necessarily going to resonate with it.

Christine:

And that's kind of where our impact going is wider.

Christine:

We have a wider net to cast, yeah, and I think with Instagram it has been um, a lot of friends, family, acquaintances who follow us or follow what we're doing, but they don't necessarily maybe understand or I just think again, there's a lot of misconceptions about what we've talked about in the past and we're going to even dive deeper into that. Dive deeper into that Um, but I think we are meant to hit a broad audience of people we don't know Um and we're meant to show up on like, for whatever reason it resonates with strangers. Um, it has seemed to work for us better with, like I said, without even trying, and it feels has felt more authentic for us. So, um, I guess on to say that we are going to focus on TikTok more, um, because that's where we feel, uh, more comfortable and it feels more authentic.

Christine:

I also just me personally have felt that Instagram has become this weird place of people who know you silently watching, watching but not supporting. I've had that experience with the podcast, but also before that, owning a business, and felt that, and so I want to go where we are going to reach people that we are meant to reach Um, and so for right now and again, that may change. We are all about changing our opinion and changing the direction, but for right now we are going to focus mostly on TikTok. So if you are on there, there, you should follow us there.

Leah:

Instagram is for the haters.

Christine:

Instagram is for the haters. I didn't want to say that, so I'm glad you said that Should.

Leah:

I not have said that. Not everybody is a hater, but it very much is like people feel obligated to follow us because they know us, but they don't resonate with what we're posting. So they don't like the information, they don't share the information. We're not mad about that, by the way. Yeah, it's really. I think it's information. I don't. I don't think that, like, just because you're a friend of mine, you have to resonate with what I'm saying. I really don't believe that. So this is not a personal attack against anybody who follows us, who's supporting us. We appreciate that support, but personally, for me, as a manifester, you don't have to be on my train yeah and it's okay, that's kind of your life purpose that's my.

Leah:

I'm gonna go in the direction I'm gonna go in and the I'm going to go in the direction I'm going to go in and the people who want to go in that direction are welcome. And if you don't want to, that's okay too, but I'm going to keep going.

Christine:

Yeah, that's also funny that you say that, because my last mushroom this past spring was about um, my voice and speaking um, and being able to speak loudly and boldly, um, in a way that my ancestors did not have that same opportunity. So it's why my voice matters that much more, and so I want to continue to do that, but I also want to continue to do that in ways that feel good to me or feel I don't even know. Authentic, authentic, yeah.

Leah:

Maybe even some of the things that we have learned in the past couple of years that we have kept to ourselves because they're hard to talk about or because we know that, like talking about it might make some buttholes clench, because it made ours clench at first. You know what I'm saying. I think what we're trying to say here is that we want to come back in a bigger way. I think that our focus is going not going away from psychedelics and the healing journey, but, like our whole platform has been, about giving a perspective, giving different perspectives on maybe not so normally talked about or stigmatized areas. That is like we've been doing this from day one, having very uncomfy conversations with people that we don't necessarily understand, and coming out of it with a better understanding and learning something that we didn't expect to learn. It's what we've been doing, and so I want to talk about. I want us to be authentic and talk about our life experiences without holding back.

Christine:

Yes.

Leah:

And where maybe we've opened up and shifted in other ways. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know if we were going to go here, but that prompt that I sent you yesterday about both of our purposes and human design, you want to share it.

Leah:

I kind of, I kind of do want you to share it, and then the paragraph above it Okay, hang on, let me find it I think I sent you a screenshot of it, but because I think it's also been, the last several years has really been us unlearning and learning who we are and who we're supposed to be. And the more we lean into who we're supposed to be and like practicing using our voices and in different ways, um, the more this kind of resonates and everything feels like a practice leading up to this, is it?

Christine:

this one. I just want to make sure.

Leah:

Do you want to go ahead and read it?

Christine:

this kind of resonates and everything feels like a practice leading up to this. Is it this one? I just want to make sure, do you?

Christine:

want to go ahead and read it, I think the other thing I don't think that's it, but I'm going to find it Okay I think the other thing too is um, this break was very much so needed from the both of us, and while we were on this break, uh, it actually helped our friendship. Um, we talked about this before, but it really felt like such a job. Um, and I think a lot of the things we're posting were because we felt like we had to post an episode. We had to. You know, there's a lot of work that goes in behind it. Um, and I think a lot of our time went into the podcast and having that break.

Christine:

We got to have a lot of time to just like be, friends and because of that, we've gotten closer and we've been able to we'll get into this in a different episode but we've had conversations that we were scared to have with each other and they ended up being wonderful. Um, and I feel like it was kind of like another layer that got cracked open, um, where we were able to talk about, uh, some things that I see in the world people are having a really hard time talking about Um, and we got to grow closer because we had some uncomfortable conversations about uncomfortable topics and I think that's kind of the whole purpose of what our podcast started on, and it's going to evolve more into um, into even broader and, you know, different topics, um, and, yeah, I'm excited where this is going to go.

Leah:

Um, I remember having this conversation with my husband and then your husband brought it up on spring break. He was like you know. I was worried for a minute that like your friendship was like yeah going to fall apart and that you guys were going to drift apart.

Christine:

And can I mention we were on MDMA.

Leah:

Were we? No, I was. I was talking about on spring break. Oh, no, not, not, not that part, but it was a conversation then too. We had that conversation on MDMA too, but that's funny because it came up then. But I remember on spring break he was like you know, I was really worried that it would affect your friendship and, if anything, it's made it stronger. And I was like I agree and I've literally said the same thing to my husband that, like this break only, made us better.

Christine:

I think it made us healthier individually and together and I really, really love that. I love. You know, we talk a lot about relationships. I don't think I don't think that there are enough conversations about friendships and how it's okay with friendships to have like break periods, hard conversations. Um, you know, I think we had to really take a look at ourselves and the day to day and be like, okay, we're both burnt out. We're really burnt out on this and um, that was a very hard conversation where there were a lot of tears and it ended up being wonderful. And sometimes those hard conversations are needed because it's an opportunity is what I strongly believe to grow with that person and evolve with that person. So I do love a hard conversation.

Leah:

Yeah, they're hard for a reason. We even did an episode, I think, one time called like let's get uncomfy. Like we talked about how getting uncomfortable like nobody wants to do it, right, but in those uncomfortable moments, if you can sit in those uncomfortable moments and and actually listen, um, and not get dysregulated, in it, you have more compassion, you have more empathy, you have a different perspective and like you can come out of it like much, much stronger. Um, I want to read this because we were kind of like, where is the direction of this going to take us and is this shift in direction going to really fucking throw people off? Because it feels very different. Um, it says, uh, we started a podcast about psychedelics and healing, but what we've really been doing all along is holding space for uncomfortable, paradigm shifting conversation. This is very much in line with I hate to keep bringing human design into this, but like we've really been on a journey of that to like discovering really deep, deep, deep parts of ourselves through human design.

Christine:

If you're not into human design, get with it. Get with the program.

Leah:

Because we've learned so much about ourselves and each other and the people in our lives. But there's this thing in human design. It's called the incarnation cross and it is like truly, truly, truly, who you're meant to be, what you're supposed to be to the world. And mine is about questioning reality, seeing through illusions, inviting others to be receptive to a new perspective. I'm here to shake people awake and help them see beyond the surface. Now, if you would have said this to me six years ago, I would have laughed at you. That is not my place. I don't speak up.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

Now I read this and I'm like holy shit, I've been doing that.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

Well, let's do more of it.

Christine:

Human design is about the deconditioning.

Leah:

Yes, the process of deconditioning and the parts, finding parts of yourself that were were not necessarily who you were, but who you thought you should be, and then really figuring out who you are supposed to be. Yours is about synthesizing multiple viewpoints, weaving stories, history and context, showing people that there isn't just one way of seeing things, and it's about the richness and perspectives of connection through dialogue. Bitch, we've been doing it Right, we've been doing it, but we're going to do it more. We're going to do it more and we've been afraid to go beyond what we have touched so far, and I think that we're finally at a point where we're not afraid to touch on some stuff we're not afraid to touch on some stuff.

Christine:

I think for you it's been fear. I think for me it's has not been fear. It's been about trying to stay grounded and really get as much information in a unbiased way to then share it.

Leah:

What's interesting about? I'd never thought of that before. Like mine has absolutely been fear, I think. I want to touch on this too. I think yours has been. It's not about the delivery, it's not about what you say, it's about the delivery.

Christine:

Yeah, forever working on it.

Leah:

Right, and I'm always working on my fear, like of speaking out, but like yours has, like I will say like the way that you are able to carry hard conversations and stay regulated and grounded is so admirable, and I said this to you the other day, but I'm going to say it again Like I have watched, like where, I think when we started, you were afraid to speak, you let me do all the talking, and now we're, I think, in a position where you have so much more grace in your delivery and patience in your delivery and you can feel the difference. Every time you talk to me about stuff, I am just like, holy shit, you are like so well-versed in this, you are so articulate, like you know what I mean, and I think I had a place for that, but mine has just been fear, holding back for that.

Christine:

Well, and we talked about this like when, you know, I started my, I guess plant healing journey a couple of years after you and so when we started the podcast, you were you know more into it than I was.

Christine:

I had literally like done a mushroom journey on February, in February, and I think we started or January, and then we started recording like March or April. So I didn't necessarily know, um, everything I was talking about. I knew how it made me feel and I knew the ways that it had like changed my life and like my thought patterns. And then when we started recording, you were always somebody who went down these rabbit holes with these topics and you were so knowledgeable and I was somebody who struggled with my place on where to fit in with that. If you were the one who was that information seeker and I think this break has and also you getting certified in human design obviously you're not there yet, but you learning about human design and then sharing that information with me, and I've always been somebody. You have so much knowledge and I want to learn it.

Christine:

I feel like at this point, you might as well be certified too, and I've I've like absorbed a lot of that information. But you teaching me about my human design, I've also kind of learned about my unique gifts too, and we talked about this the other day when we met up. Um, I've really learned how good I am with conversation with people. Um, if people are willing to have it, that too, uh, that's, that's the big one. But I actually do really like hard conversation.

Christine:

I actually really like You've always pushed for that when someone doesn't agree with me, I want both people to be able to stay grounded in that conversation.

Christine:

But I actually like to debate and I actually like to be like well, have you thought about this or have you thought about that? Or you know, and I'm I do really try to be open to somebody else, so saying that back to me as well, and so I really really liked learning, like, why people do what they do, why they act, the way that they act, and I think that's really honing in on me. Being a projector is again being that bird on that branch and all of the animals are down here, and having just that different vantage point. Um, when it comes to like kind of the psychology and why we do what we do, and having those like one-on-one conversations with people. I actually have really enjoyed a hard conversation, um, and I wish I could have more of those, to be honest, because I think it's like I am open to and I want that openness from the other person as well, but but finding that is hard, which we'll get into that.

Leah:

That's a strength, because I don't know that I will ever love debates. I enjoy speaking my truth, but I don't. I think it depends on on the person that I'm speaking it to and how I and how safe I feel in that environment. So debating is not necessarily like something I enjoy. I don't like confrontation, but I want to be able to speak my truth and I think that this podcast has allowed me to feel safe in what I say.

Christine:

Yeah, yeah.

Leah:

I'm not against having a conversation with somebody with with a different view.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

I think it depends on the conversation and the person and um where they are.

Christine:

Yeah, I've kind of learned to, even when the conversation doesn't go as I'd hoped, um that I hope that that person is able to at least sit with what I'm saying, even if it triggers them, even if it makes them uncomfortable, even if they think it's completely wrong Cause I think I don't know.

Leah:

With that being said, um welcome to season four.

Christine:

Yeah, holy shit.

Leah:

We're doing this more on our terms. We want to be as authentic as possible, and some things are going to look different, but there are a lot of things about our podcast that are staying the same, and that is that we are open to hearing every side and every perspective. That is also to say, like our whole fucking slogan is stay open, be curious, see you on the other side. That is still going to stand.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

I think it's going to be an invitation for people to like. I need you to stay really open for this conversation.

Christine:

Yeah.

Leah:

You don't have to agree with everything, you don't? We've had people on our podcast we don't agree with. Yeah, but we're open to hearing it. Yeah, and I learned this about having fights in relationships Like it's not about who is right or wrong in like a relationship. Like I'm just going to throw this out there. I was going to do this later, but I'll throw it out here now. Like 69% of arguments in a relationship between partners is not solvable, it's not fixable. It's not about conflict resolution in those situations. It's about conflict management and how you speak to each other and how you make each other feel in those moments, because it's about a difference in perspective. A lot of times, it's not about who's right or wrong when you're going into an argument or a conversation with somebody that you love it's. It's more about. This is how I see it and this is how I feel. How do you see it and how do you feel? Those are going to be very different answers.

Christine:

I love that.

Leah:

Neither one is wrong.

Christine:

Right, yeah, Cause we all have different backgrounds, different perspectives, different upbringings, Um, and I think about, I always think about.

Christine:

You know her, I don't but the woman who messaged us and when we came out with this podcast it was like oh gosh, there are these moms who are talking about how they do mushrooms and drugs and immediately was like no, Like I can't believe she's talking about it out loud and this is, I guess, what I kind of mean, where I hope it sits with you for a little bit, because then she kind of came around and she, you know we got a lot of that Um, I think, out loud and silently, um, where people just made these assumptions without knowing anything about what it was that we're talking about and in the way that we are talking about it. Obviously if you've been listening you know we're not like out just doing drugs all the time.

Leah:

I'm really happy she stuck around and listened to what we had to say.

Christine:

And I have a lot of respect for the fact that she. She came in that way and admitted, like I judged you because I used to also be somebody who had very black and we'll get into this, um in another episode but very black and white, thinking about everything, um, and it took some inner work to be like oh my gosh, maybe I don't know everything that's crazy, and maybe this black and white there's actually some gray in between.

Leah:

That's actually a sign of intelligence, when you realize you actually don't know everything.

Christine:

Yes, yes, a hundred percent, and I think it's a protective mechanism and I get it, I understand it and I've been there. So hopefully we can have more conversations where we're kind of speaking from the other side and we're able to again interview people we don't agree with a hundred percent, or I think it's. We've really gotten into this black and white thinking of oh, I don't agree with this, so that means I don't agree with them, or they are bad, and we've kind of want to stray away from that and ask you to be a little bit more open minded and open hearted, because it's like there are some things where you may not agree with us or whoever we're interviewing or whatever we're talking about, but maybe there's some middle ground there were talking about, but maybe there's some middle ground there, maybe there's some gray there.

Leah:

I also want to say that person ended up doing a journey, shut up, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I ever told you that. Yeah, she did end up doing a journey.

Christine:

So that's what. I mean Like, just like sticking around and listening to what we had to say shifted her perspective enough to like actually be curious about what we were doing and be like wait a minute. Right, I might benefit from that, and I think we want to continue to normalize continuing to be able to sit in a conversation even when we feel really uncomfortable.

Leah:

I'm so uncomfortable even right now. Do you see how?

Christine:

red my neck is Story of your life Literally. But uncomfortable conversations does not mean bad Right, so I just want people to be open to that.

Leah:

You know how many things are uncomfortable Everything. Feelings are so fucking uncomfortable. Do you know how, how much we run from uncomfortable feelings and uncomfortable situations just to protect ourselves like we all have done it right? Oh, absolutely, absolutely we've all done it so, um, yeah, I guess that's our should we talk about, like, maybe what we plan on doing with, like, the Patreon?

Christine:

Yes, you go for that.

Leah:

Well, here's the thing. I'm going to say this again we're elder millennials.

Christine:

We don't know what we're doing. You don't have to keep saying that.

Leah:

They already know. I would love for us to start a Patreon and have subscribers who align with what we're saying and doing. And I've also been saying from day one what I would really love to do is build a community, and it is so hard to build a community on Instagram, on TikTok. I wanted to have dialogue and conversation with our listeners. And here's another thing too I think that what we talk about is so stigmatized that sometimes people on Instagram do like what we're saying, but they're afraid to like it because somebody will see that they're liking it.

Leah:

Um, we had somebody in our microdosing group make a fake Instagram just so she could talk in our microdosing group. Um, and that's just the reality of the world that we live in, you know. So I think we looked into subscribers and through that, we will have a group on Discord where we can talk, we can have dialogue. There will be different threads. We will. If there's an episode you guys want to discuss specifically, there will be a category for that episode. You can interact with us through that thread. You can interact with other people in that thread. It can be anonymous, but in order to be a part of that, you have to subscribe to our Patreon channel.

Christine:

This does not mean we won't continue to put out free content we will still continue to do that but I just think this is a little bit more important and it will weed out the haters and the people who are in the gray in what seems to feel like a very black and white world right now, and but they have been scared to speak up, or you know, and I completely, I completely get it and I don't have that fear, and you do have that fear, but you're going to, you're going to speak up anyways, and so it's for those people.

Leah:

Yes For the ones who are afraid to speak up and want community still.

Leah:

Yes, I also think that this kind of scratches, that itch that we had with burnout, we've said from the very beginning we don't make money off of this. There's no exchange with us. This isn't going to make us millionaires. If you have to pay a $3 or a $5 monthly subscription to like be a part of our community, um, it's less than a Starbucks, yeah, um, I have apps that cost me monthly more than that. Um, so we're not trying to to to make money necessarily, but we want it to be worth our time and energy and we want to continue doing what we're doing. And if it makes us a little bit of money on the side, it will feel like it's worth the job and worth the work that we put into it.

Christine:

And I think what we do is we provide value to a lot of our listeners and I think it's it's an energy exchange.

Leah:

I feel like right now I'm trying to explain why I think we're I'm trying to justify and I in my head no, I don't need to justify why I think what we do is worth, worth that. I don't think that I know we're worth it. Um, so now anything else you want to add?

Christine:

No.

Leah:

I am excited.

Christine:

I am excited for the future and, again, all I ask is that, uh, you know you go into it knowing that there are going to be some things, some topics that may make you feel uncomfortable, and to just you know, um, try to remind yourself to stay, again, open-minded and open-hearted. So, and grounded and grounded, yeah.

Leah:

With that, let the games begin. Season four let's go. Let's fucking go, baby, stay open, open be, curious. We'll see you guys on the other side.

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