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87 | Finding the Root (with Bethany Troklus)
Bethany Troklus, a board-certified naturopath doctor, reveals how she transitioned into her true passion in holistic health. Bethany shares her unique insights into addressing the root causes of health issues by considering the body, mind, and spirit. She emphasizes the power of intuition in navigating the maze of holistic health information and her mission to simplify health strategies for her clients.
Concerned about the alarming trend of our generation potentially having a shorter lifespan than our parents? We discuss the over-reliance on prescription medications and the disconnect many have from their bodies. Bethany shares her experiences and practical tips for reconnecting with one's body, improving sleep, energy levels, and overall health. We also discuss the limitations of conventional medical practices and the transformative benefits of natural healing approaches, such as naturopathic care, meditation, and breath work. The episode critiques the pervasive influence of pharmaceutical advertisements and their impact on public health choices.
Curious about castor oil packs and liver detoxification? Bethany breaks down the significance of these practices and the critical role of sleep and blood sugar stability in overall health. She provides practical advice on managing stress through nutrition and adequate rest, balancing estrogen levels, and maintaining sodium intake. Listen in as Bethany explores the profound effects of unprocessed emotions on physical health and the transformative power of holistic approaches. From teen anxiety to hormone health, Bethany’s enthusiasm for helping people improve their quality of life shines through, offering listeners practical insights and a holistic path to better health.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of See you on the Other Side. Today we have a very special guest. We have Bethany, who is a board-certified naturopath doctor, and she is our naturopath doctor. Welcome, bethany. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2:I'm new to Bethany.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are new, I'm newer, yeah you're newer, so I guess I want to get right into it. What is a naturopath doctor?
Speaker 3:So I focus on holistic health, which that name is really thrown around a lot, but I want to address the entire person, so body, mind, spirit, not just the physical, but also the emotional as well. Um, you know, really it's root cause. You know, I named my business finding the root because that's really my goal is, I want to find what is causing the imbalance. Um, and it's truly, really fun for me, it's really my biggest pastime, because I just love to dig deeper and I love finding puzzle pieces that no one else can find. So it's just like a challenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah truly, can I ask you how you got into this field?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it was always a passion of mine. I remember graduating high school and I told the guidance counselor you know, everyone has to visit the counselor and kind of see what your next step is going to be. Yeah, and you know, at 18, not a lot of people know, for some reason I kept telling her I wanted to do alternative medicine. I don't know where I even came up with this, because you know, I'm going to age myself. This was a long time ago. This was like right before the internet kind of started taking off, and even she was just kind of like well, I don't really know how to go about doing that. You know, we thought about maybe trying massage therapy, but I just felt like that wasn't quite it. After a while of digging, I kind of like felt the push to just get a job, you know, and so I decided well, you know business administration, you know something like that. And it ended up being a paralegal for about 16 years. Wow.
Speaker 3:It was. You know, I was basically kind of miserable doing that because it just wasn't me. You know, it's just, I'm not a paper pusher, I'm just. And the whole time that I was a paralegal, I was also doing a blog and it was all about my health advice, and you know, I just felt this um urge to help people, but I just didn't know how to do it. And so, you know, after my third child was born, I thought well, you know, it's now or never. You know, I need to. Like. I found a school that I really wanted to attend and and I thought let's just go for it. So here we are.
Speaker 3:And literally it's been a dream come true. So I mean, never neglect that little voice in your head.
Speaker 2:I love that. I think a lot of times people do push that voice away because they kind of do what you did, where they're like well, I need to start making money, this is easy, this can be an easy career for the next however many years, right. But that little voice inside, sometimes that voice goes away and that's what makes me really sad for people.
Speaker 1:Can I ask you, when you were a paralegal and you were doing things like you were working a job you didn't want to, how did that show up like in your body?
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, it was soul sucking, honestly. Yeah, I mean it really was, because you're just, you're doing the same thing day after day and you're just like. This is just not it.
Speaker 3:I mean, I already knew that, I just didn't know, um, what the next step was, and all the people close to me didn't really either, you know. So, cause it's not not a lot of people do this, so it was just, you know, I, I followed a lot of people, you know, especially like when the internet did start taking off. I started really, you know, following a lot of people that thought the way that I did, you know, and started looking at their journey, which was very inspiring to me, and I knew, you know, eventually that's what I want to do. So, you know, it was kind of like it was going to happen eventually. It was just a matter of time. I wish it would have happened sooner, but I love that you were in it before.
Speaker 2:It was like a super trendy thing to do, cause I feel like when that starts happening and it starts saturating social media, you can't determine who's real and who's not, and whose heart is in it and who's just doing it for the clicks, and it's really hard to look through the stuff.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, and I feel like intuition plays a huge role because you do, you almost have to know what to listen to, what not to listen to, because there's a lot it's just in a lot of conflicting information too.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it can be very overwhelming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah. But that's what I love to do for my clients is to just really demystify everything and make it easy. You know, set out exactly what we need to do. You know, don't crowd it with too much, because that's overwhelming and then honestly, it kind of turns people off too, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That is definitely what it feels like.
Speaker 1:So before I saw you, um, I started going or seeing a functional practitioner and it was something that was done Leah and I did together, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do a lot of things together.
Speaker 1:She's my emotion, emotional support. Everyone needs one, so, but anyways. So we did this online, um, and we did a uh Dutch test and a GI map and mine was awful. So I had SIBO, which is small intestinal bacteria overgrowth. I had dysbiosis, um, which is like imbalance of bacteria in your gut, um, high cortisol, high estrogen, low melatonin. She thought I had an autoimmune disease, and so to hear all of that is a lot right.
Speaker 2:Especially when you were in the fitness industry. Oh right, right, so long, so you feel like I should be good yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's where I really struggled, because I was like I feel like and you've seen me like I eat. She's like can vouch for me. I eat very well, even when we're on vacation.
Speaker 1:Even on vacation, even like I've always worked out but I've done bodybuilding shows struggled with in the past, with eating disorders. But so we did this six month program and I like cut out gluten, I cut out dairy and I did like feel better. But after that six months I had no idea where I was at. If I was better, like nothing, right. So that was the starting point.
Speaker 2:Um that kind of rocked our worlds a little bit.
Speaker 1:It definitely did, and I think it was a good step into the right direction. So, anyways, I was like, well, I don't know, like, am I better, am I not better? And so somebody recommended that I go to you. And what I like about you is that the first time I saw you, you know we did foot detox biofeedback saliva test. Foot detox biofeedback saliva test Is it urine, urine? Um, and I felt like you gave me like a few tangible things. And then the next time I saw you, like eight to 10 weeks later, I saw improvement and that was like, oh, like.
Speaker 1:I felt like I could breathe, and so what I, what I do like about you is is that like? I feel like I get to see progress? Yes, instead of just do this, because a lot of people don't know what to do or where to start Exactly, and then they do something and then it's like, ok, well, am I? Am I better? And I feel like I've done a lot of damage to my body unknowingly. That um is going to take time.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, and I feel like a lot of people, um, when they go at it on their own, which is not always a bad thing, but you don't, you don't know what you're needing, you know.
Speaker 3:So a lot of people like, grab it magnesium and just start taking that every day forever, and, honestly, that can cause a lot of stress in the body if you're not really deficient which not everybody is and if you take too much magnesium, it's going to push your potassium too low and then you've got heart palpitations and anxiety, and you know. So I love the testing that I do. Number one because you get immediate results, which is nice, you know. You don't need to come back and get your results or I don't need to call you or anything, but it gives us a great idea of your body chemistry right now, which is nice, you know, because you can see nutrient deficiencies, organ stress, as they're happening. Instead of. You know, I love a blood test, just like anybody else, but by the time something is in your blood, they call it a disease blood test, just like anybody else, but by the time something is in your blood.
Speaker 3:They call it a disease.
Speaker 1:So I want to add to that. So, um, before I went to the functional practitioner I had, I told you this I struggled with UTIs and I had like a UTI for about a year where it was like I would be on antibiotic and then a few days later I would get a UTI again and it was just like I was miserable and I was starting to get these rashes all over my body, and so the doctor just sent me to go get blood tests, and when I went to the lab, they were like I've never seen anyone get this much blood work done ever.
Speaker 1:And then it was like we still don't know why you have UTIs Congratulations, and I'm like it's disheartening, right, and so that's why see the urine tests, since it's ever changing.
Speaker 3:you can really see almost more sometimes than on a blood test, because you know, of course you go to these doctors sometimes and you'll get all of these tests. You'll come back and they'll be like, well, everything looks, everything's in range, but you're like I don't feel good, right so, and you know your body best, so obviously, if there's an imbalance, you're feeling it, right so you said that to me in my first appointment with you is, and I was just like oh, I came home, told my husband and he's like I just had blood work done.
Speaker 2:I'm like, did you not hear what I just said? Like, if it shows up in your blood, it's too late. Well, and you're not. It's not the first time I've heard that, but like just hearing it again was just like, okay, there's something to this for sure.
Speaker 3:Well, and it's like, over time, as a society, all of these blood tests and these like normal ranges, you're being compared to the sickest of the sick and so that's not an optimal range. They're just, they're putting you in the normal range, but normal is not optimal, and so and yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, by the time you're showing these signs, they're like well, now we need to treat it Right.
Speaker 1:And what's normal is not necessarily healthy or good or what we should be striving for, because sometimes our norm in our society is like pretty unhealthy it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is, and I feel like as a society we keep getting sicker and sicker. You often wonder, I mean, is it because we're ignoring a lot of these very what they consider minor symptoms, you know, before they get to be really big, and that's. You know. I like to get a handle on that. I love to be on the prevention end. You know, what can we do now?
Speaker 1:I saw that our generation is like one of the first generations, who is expected to not live as long as our, like parents. So sad, can you like? Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3:Um, you know, I feel like in a lot of ways we're more disconnected from our bodies. I don't know, it's like we've just we've lost that true innate connection where we're seeing, like if we see a change, you wake up in the morning. You kind of need to check in with yourself like, well, how do I feel today? Do I feel rested? Did I get enough sleep? Do I have good energy? Even something as simple as that is just optimizing your sleep and starting your day off on the right foot can have a huge difference in your health. But it is, it's very sad. You see it all the time. I mean, just look on the TV. All of the prescription you know ads on TV. I mean it's just kind of like what is going on here? Why? Why are we so needing all of these prescriptions? This is something, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's always the first line of defense. And so I stopped going to adopt my primary care doctor like 10 years ago, because everything I went to her for she would write me a prescription and like, oh, you're having trouble sleeping, here's some ambien. And like just one after the other, and I I rarely took anything because I was like I don't, I just feel like there's a better way. I didn't know what that better way was, I just went unmedicated and just like felt dealt with it. But yeah, what you're saying. It's like if you're having trouble sleeping, why aren't they asking you like well, what's going on in your life? Like, what are you doing before bed? What do you? How many cups of coffee are you drinking a day? Nobody's asking those kinds of questions. Are you drinking?
Speaker 3:a day. Nobody's asking those kinds of questions. Well, and they only I mean most of medical doctors don't have a lot of time with each of their patients. Not necessarily their fault. I think a lot of them are overworked, but you know, I mean spending five to 10 minutes with a patient. You're not. You're not going to learn those things.
Speaker 1:That and I feel like a lot of medical doctors, they don't have enough like they know what they know, but sometimes things outside of that and things that they haven't been taught they don't, so they're not often going to talk to you about, like your nutrition, your exercise, your stress, your sleep, your trauma. And so even like me sharing with people um, going back to the norm me sharing with people that like I'm going to a naturopath doctor and like I meditate and do breath work, like my stepdaughters think I'm crazy and it's like am I or is like should? Should maybe this be our norm?
Speaker 1:Cause it's like I'm connect, I'm trying to like connect with myself.
Speaker 2:And the disconnect I think sometimes comes from like all the I hate to say it, but we say it in podcasts all the time. So it's fine, but like the medications that we're on, like you don't know what your home base is, because you're medicating to sleep. You don't know how well you could sleep on your own.
Speaker 3:So I often say you don't know how well you could sleep on your own. So I often say people don't know how well they can feel, people don't know how good it can be. You know they think they feel okay. But you know, when you replace nutrient deficiencies and really like address these things and replenish them and just support the body to heal naturally, it's a lot of magic can happen. It's just magic to me.
Speaker 2:And you've witnessed it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I've experienced it myself, you know. I mean, they say, physician, heal thyself.
Speaker 2:I, you know, I'm my first guinea pig I like to say, and that's something I don't think people know, Like the the doctors who are prescribing meds, they're not taking those meds.
Speaker 3:Right, right, like yeah Right.
Speaker 2:That used to be a common practice, like a hundred years ago, where they would test the medicine before they gave it to people, and now they don't do that. So it's like how can you prescribe something when you don't even know what it's going to do to that person, right?
Speaker 1:And the pharmaceutical commercial that you see that what it's going to do to that person Right and the pharmaceutical commercial that you see that's not. It may be the norm here, but like that's not the norm everywhere.
Speaker 3:Like it is not common to see pharmaceutical commercials no no, well, it used to be, I feel like, not legal to show those things now. I mean I guess, yeah, no, you're right, I guess anything goes.
Speaker 2:no, all the commercials I see when I'm watching like a hulu show or a peacock show is like alcohol and medication yes that's all it is usually usually if it's a commercial, I'm like I shouldn't buy that.
Speaker 4:I don't know, yeah right, because it's like a large trying to trick me large company, yeah, corporation no, I shouldn't this is a subliminal message yes, yes, I just hit mute.
Speaker 3:I'm like all right, yeah, I'll just wait till it's over.
Speaker 2:Okay, so can you go in like. So my first appointment with you was probably a month or so ago six weeks, oh, not that long ago. No, it really wasn't that long ago, but it's funny because you started going to her. My friend, sarah was, has been going to you. I have another friend who has been going to you, another and I'm just like oh hey universe Okay.
Speaker 3:This is a good friend circle to be in. I know it's a really good circle.
Speaker 2:And then now, like I've I've talked with other people who also see you and I'm like, oh my God, I had no idea you saw her too. Like you're like everybody's bestie right now. Um, but during that, what was it? An hour, hour and a half.
Speaker 3:Usually the first appointment's about an hour and a half two hours.
Speaker 2:Okay, it was a very long appointment. Um can you explain what the foot detox does?
Speaker 1:I want to get into that.
Speaker 2:What the biofeedback is, the saliva test, because the thing that not only blew my mind but, like another friend who just recently saw you came in and was just like the fact that, like everything lined up, like what she got from the detox, the, what she read from the foot, what you read from the foot detox, and then, like you do the saliva test and you're like, oh, this is where you're deficient and this is where it's showing up, and then you do the biofeedback and it all checks. Yes, that's like magic, yeah, so what is that process?
Speaker 3:Yes, you know, and going along, what you're saying, I love to triangulate, and what that really means to me is see similar themes. Okay, so you know, yes, you do, like the foot detox, you do the urine test and like you do the biofeedback, and you start to see the same things come up multiple times. Then I know, okay, well, this is definitely something that we should address first. You know, a lot of times, once you address those forefront things, then that starts moving out of the way and new things start coming to the surface. So it really is like a stair-step thing of healing, you know, because the body says, okay, this is what we want to do first, this is second, this is third. You know, and you just, you start feeling progressively better, which is great.
Speaker 3:So the foot detox is really interesting because it works ionically, in that the ionization provides positive ions into the water.
Speaker 3:When you put your feet in it will eventually mix with your negative ions to create a magnet to pull things out, so very stimulating to the lymphatic system, which is really important, because our lymphatic system does not have a pump, so it does not move like our blood does. We have to move it. As you age it really does become more stagnant and so that causes a lot of different toxins to kind of settle in different organs of the body, basically Different areas, joints, but also, like you know, I'm looking at the liver, the kidneys, the gallbladder, um, so it really, you know, it's a 30 minute session and it is really interesting and cool to kind of, you know, see what comes out. I like to say, anytime I feel like I'm starting to get something, I'm like, okay, let's do a foot detox, because it's just wonderful to really get that movement going, move it out faster. It's just wonderful to really get that movement going, move it out faster, get the immune system working better. It's cool.
Speaker 1:It's wild to watch.
Speaker 2:Put your feet in and the water is clear 30 minutes later you're like okay, so my water is black and there's chunks in there. What are?
Speaker 1:these chunks.
Speaker 3:That's a good detox, though that is a good detox, but like.
Speaker 1:I'll just use myself as an example. Sure, A lot of what shows up in my foot detox is liver.
Speaker 4:Yes, which is very common. I will say I see that a lot. So what does that mean?
Speaker 3:I see that a lot, and the main reason I mean the liver is our biggest detox organ. So when you know when things are trying to filter through your body, the liver is going to show up the most. Now I see you know varying degrees of liver detox. You know some people, especially if they've done a few detoxes it will be lighter.
Speaker 3:you know it won't be as heavy, but it's, you know, for your first detox. It's very normal to have a very heavy liver detox because you know, you think about our environment, you know your age, you know, as we accumulate toxins, you're going to have more to come out. So, um, but yeah, primarily liver is what I see. Um, gallbladder is pretty common too.
Speaker 1:Um, what does gallbladder?
Speaker 3:mean so any kind of like sluggishness in the gallbladder. So you know um sluggish bowel flow where things can get kind of sticky and not move as well. That is like a detox problem. So you know we like to focus on like extra enzymes um just focus more on digestion. Really yeah.
Speaker 2:I know it's very interesting. Something I learned recently is that, like 95% of your body's serotonin is produced in the gut, in the gut yes, and another thing that I learned on top of that is SSRIs kill gut bacteria.
Speaker 3:Yes, which is interesting. Well, and SSRIs it's interesting, yes, but I mean I could go on forever on those. Same interesting, yes, but I mean I could go on forever on those. But they, they prevent serotonin metabolism, which is really important because you don't want too high or too low serotonin. Either one of them is not good, so it needs to be in balance and that does prevent that balance. So, yeah, so it's a little bit counterintuitive for what people are using it for. But right.
Speaker 2:And the fact that, like it's been proven that depression and anxiety is not a serotonin, yes, depletion Right. It's not a. It's not a matter of your body's not producing enough of it. It has nothing to do with serotonin.
Speaker 3:Right, I'm looking at more like GABA and cortisol and which nobody's talking about yeah and and um, which nobody's talking about. Yeah, and dopamine is actually harder to get than serotonin.
Speaker 4:Most of us have too much serotonin, believe it or not, which?
Speaker 3:causes anxiety. Yeah, wow. So because if you don't have enough dopamine, then you're not um. Your serotonin is going to be way too high and you don't want that it causes it's kind of like excess estrogen. It causes just irritation and stress in the body. Dopamine is very calming. Another reason why I love castor oil packs because that increases dopamine production which is really good for serotonin.
Speaker 1:Let's go into castor oil packs. Let's do it Because I love a castor oil pack Me too.
Speaker 3:Me too.
Speaker 1:I wish I would have brought one today. That would have been good. All of us wearing our matching castor oil packs. Tony calls it my lingerie. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Your potato of a lingerie. You're welcome, Tony.
Speaker 1:I'll get in bed and I have my bonnet. I have my castor oil pack.
Speaker 3:I mean we're just looking hot man. I mean I know I have. We're just looking hot man.
Speaker 1:I mean I know I have like my eye patches and I dry brush in bed. I have a body one, I have a face one. I dry brush before the sauna. Are you my best client?
Speaker 2:Maybe she is a great student, because, I'm going to be honest, I bought a dry brush and haven't used it yet, so we're going to get you on this. I've been doing the castor oil pack, though.
Speaker 1:That's good I love a bedtime routine. Oh, I do too. I love a bedtime routine well, sleep is king.
Speaker 3:I mean you want anything to have the best sleep ever. And once you've had the best sleep ever, then you're like, okay, we're gonna do are you a projector in human design?
Speaker 4:We'll have to look that up. Okay, we'll have to look that up later, maybe.
Speaker 2:You guys love some sleep.
Speaker 1:No. I do yes. And I feel like I never get enough of it. You can't even get enough. But so castor oil pack my lingerie. Yes, yes. Can you talk about what that is and what? It does, absolutely it's something that I wear every night to bed.
Speaker 3:So the castor oil pack is interesting because it's really an old folk remedy that's become new again. It's truly it's old school. You know, they used to say like they would take a piece of organic cotton flannel, they would soak it in castor oil, they'd place it over where their liver is and then they would put like a hot water bottle on top of that. As you can imagine, very messy, okay, but very, very healing. There was a reason why they did all of this. Um, the design that I carry in my office is virtually mess free, which is why I like it. But, um, the outside of it. Outside of it is a soft vinyl which helps to insulate your body heat, so you don't need an outside heat source.
Speaker 3:Um also keeps it mess free, keeps all the oil in um you know, and I don't use a whole bunch of oil, I would say, sometimes I even pour it actually on my skin, just a little bit like a tablespoon, you know that's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1:Like pouring it on, like on my stomach, and then I rub it in and like massage my stomach and then.
Speaker 3:I put my pack on and you know it's I mean either way. Sometimes people will put it on the pack. It's fine too, you know. I mean really it doesn't take much is what I'm trying to say. You know, and once a castor oil is the only oil that can penetrate to the organs, which is why I really love it. Um, really great to dissolve and break up like cysts, fibroids. Um, wonderful to stimulate the digestive system. So I like to say if you're dealing with any kind of constipation, try a castor oil pack first, because that really it's wonderful. Once you wake up in the morning you gotta go. It's good to get you on that rhythm.
Speaker 3:But you know it's mainly called a liver pack because it's wonderful to stimulate the liver to excrete excess estrogen and toxins. So it's just a wonderful healing practice for the liver. You know, and part of the urine test I do is there's a liver marker on there. If it's ever elevated, I always recommend the castor oil packs. You know, sleeping in those about five nights a week can be wonderful for that, because it gently decongest the liver to excrete that excess estrogen. They come back, do another test and their liver markers come way down. So it's the proof is in the pudding. Is dopamine produced in your liver. So dopamine is produced in the gut, but um, it's more. Um. Your body has the ability to produce its own dopamine and because castor oil is so relaxing, that's what helps to produce it. And also, I love you know. I used castor oil initially to heal constipation and regulate digestion. I kept using it because it's so wonderful to deepen sleep. I mean it extends that REM cycle.
Speaker 3:Oh, I didn't know that yes it extends the REM cycle considerably, and so when you're in that deeper um deep wave sleep, that's when healing takes place.
Speaker 2:So I did know that when I got my aura ring which, by the way, I think we all have them on today, when I started learning more about Lincoln bio, the commercial for. Oh my God, sorry, now I'm like.
Speaker 2:I started reading into like um REM sleep and how it literally helps your body like recalibrate, yes, and it helps um re stimulate neurons in your brain and it's like when you're not getting to that REM sleep, like it, you can become deficient in so many other areas because you're not getting that nightly reset Right. I thought that was interesting, so now it's almost like a game. It's so funny because so many people track their like steps and everything and I know that it tracks that as well, but like when I got this.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh, I'm going to get so much REM tonight, crush my sleep so hard. So, while everybody else is like counting steps and calories and I'm all about the sleep.
Speaker 3:Right, right, yeah, would you?
Speaker 1:say, sleep is like your biggest, like someone you don't know Cause it's like everyone has different needs and like what you said, would you say that would be your biggest recommendation that everyone get more sleep.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I mean, if you don't sleep, recommendation that everyone get more sleep. Oh yeah, I mean, if you don't sleep, you don't heal. If you don't sleep you don't lose weight. Um, those two things are some of the biggest concerns that I hear from people. And so, yeah, you need to be optimizing your sleep. That's huge. You know any kind of like adrenal fatigue. That's the only way the adrenals heal is through optimal sleep. Um, I do. I also want to mention castor oil. Packs are wonderful. If you feel like you're getting sick, put on a pack. It increases your T cells, your lymphocyte production, to really speed through an illness much faster.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I've seen on TikTok Now I've been doing the castor oil pack and I've been. We started doing that last year with um, the other functional nutritionist, um, I wasn't consistent with it, and then with you I've been a little bit more consistent with it. I don't know why, but then on Tik TOK I was seeing like people literally use castor oil and like rub it in their belly button.
Speaker 1:Is that not? Yeah, what is that? I've seen that too.
Speaker 3:What's wild is everyone's coming in saying this belly button thing and I'm like I don't know who navel, how this started, something I forgot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do I like it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I feel like, um, that's great, and also like, if you want to do that and then put your pack on, I just I like the packs because I feel like it covers a larger area yeah, and so you know.
Speaker 2:so maybe like the in the belly button is like a little bit, you're getting a microdose.
Speaker 3:That's a castor oil. I think it would be great for your gut, but I'm not sure if that would have that liver benefit.
Speaker 1:Because your liver is kind of like over here.
Speaker 3:So Okay, not bad, not a bad idea, so you could do both. Yeah, not a bad idea, so you could do both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it wouldn't be a bad thing, just take a bath in castor oil, that's right.
Speaker 1:I don't mean to like this conversation is wonderful and I'm like backtracking. But you said that like anxiety was often high serotonin. Yes, I've been somebody who has always struggled with anxiety and I've been struggling with anxiety more, and I already know why that is it's because I'm not resting enough and doing too many things. But what are like recommendations for somebody who has high serotonin like that and is struggling with anxiety?
Speaker 3:Definitely. I think my first go-to would be blood sugar. I would really pay attention to blood sugar stability because that makes a huge difference. Animal protein is very high in dopamine. So you think about you know, are you getting enough protein? Because that's going to help to oppose that excess serotonin. Yeah, calm everything down. Blood sugar is huge. If your blood sugar is erratic and it's, you know, if you eat and you get spiked and then you come crashing down, um, get a lot of fatigue, you know stuff like that, that's a blood sugar issue. So you know we would look at that.
Speaker 1:And I learned this from you. But, um, a lot of times, like, when I eat, I'll eat like my protein and my vegetables first and I also learned this from the glucose, goddess Um, and then I'll eat like my carb at the, at the very end.
Speaker 3:But you told, told me about, like, if I am craving like a dessert, to get like a keto, yeah, If you yes, I mean if you have a lot of blood sugar dysregulation, then I do, I recommend avoiding sugar. So because until we can get you more balanced, any sugar you eat, regardless if it's after a meal which I mean I would I would recommend that wholeheartedly. If you, if you do eat something, make sure it's after protein so that way it can help to buffer that spike. But you know, often if your blood sugars have been erratic for a long time, you really need to avoid sugar. But at the same time.
Speaker 3:You know, I have a sweet tooth too, so I totally get it. You know, and so I do. You know more of these like I don't like a diet name, but you know a more keto kind of sweet that has like a healthy sugar substitute, um erythritol or allulose or something like that. Um, it can be helpful because it can satisfy that craving so you feel like you're not missing out, but it's not spiking your blood sugar.
Speaker 1:How do you like, how do you, how can you keep track of that? How can you monitor that?
Speaker 3:Um, your blood sugar spikes. I go by just how you feel. Okay, I mean, honestly it goes. You know you really need to pay attention to how you feel. Okay, I mean, honestly it goes. You know you really need to pay attention to how you feel. Okay, but just to be on the safe side, really get your protein in. I can't. I mean, I feel like a broken record a lot of times, but you know, especially like front loading your day with a good amount of protein can make a huge difference and just keeping your blood sugar more stable and that's what we want. You know we don't want.
Speaker 3:You have to think like this. Erraticness is not good for your body. It's very stressful, especially on the liver. So you know, and when? If you wanted to lose weight, if you wanted to get better sleep you know, the only way to do that is to lower stress in the body.
Speaker 2:So yeah, what are your thoughts on? Um too much cardio? Yes, Because I feel like we've talked on that a lot and I think people think if I just do more cardio, I'll lose weight, and where you and I are now, we're like oh, but you're raising your cortisol levels and it's not good for your heart and it's not what. I thought it was my entire life. I've hated cardio and thought I had to do it Right.
Speaker 3:Right, isn't that terrible? Yeah, I mean. Honestly, you know, I feel like what the eighties and nineties taught us is to exercise your butt off and don't eat anything. And, honestly, the nothing could be more farther from the truth. I mean because what's going on is um the more hardcore, especially cardio that you're doing. It's very stressful for your adrenal glands and when your adrenals are stressed, that puts you into survival mode and your body is not letting go of a thing. I mean we're talking slower digestion, just sleep off. Oh yeah, you're just you. If you can't relax, then you're not, you're not healing, you're not going to lose weight. And that really goes with eating too. I feel like the majority of the people I see are just aren't eating enough. You know, and I usually, and that's why I say really you got to get that protein in, especially in the morning, because if you don't eat by, I like to say the happy time is 10 o'clock. If you don't eat by 10 o'clock, your body is running on nothing but stress hormone.
Speaker 3:Leah, sorry, and so Damn I just, is that you it's me.
Speaker 2:I have a hard time waking up and eating breakfast you have to almost make yourself.
Speaker 3:I mean, I was there too. You have to almost make yourself, because you get in this pattern and you think you're doing great because you're like oh good. I'm intermittent fasting. You know what? I mean. Right, but if you don't do that, if you don't eat by a certain time, your body starts really producing a lot of cortisol.
Speaker 2:This is where Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just going to say is it different with men and women, with that? Because I feel like, yeah, jason fasts a lot and I feel like men he swears it works Do shit like that and they cold plunge and they love, and I'm just like it's possible that it could be different, but I will.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm not going to say all the time men can do that, because I do, I've seen a lot of men that shouldn't do that either. So I think it just depends on where they're at.
Speaker 2:I think it's interesting between men and women because I feel like the things that they do are to be more productive. Where you and. I are. We're trying to do things to be less productive, like they're like fuck yeah, cold plunge, I'm going to spike my adrenaline, my adrenaline I'm gonna get so much work done and and you know it's, everything that we're doing is to try to slow down and just calm down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and no warm bubble bath, yeah yeah, well, and you think about um hormones, okay, so everybody's. That's a huge button issue for a lot of people too. When your cortisol is too high or just dysregulated too high or too low, you're not going to be producing the hormones, okay, and so the progesterone is going to go down. You're going to have more of that estrogen dominance. It's truly a cascading snowball effect, and so we've got to keep that blood sugar and metabolism working good.
Speaker 2:So for people who don't know much about like the intake of protein because this is new to me, like how much protein I'm supposed to be eating you and I have had like conversations about it, cause I'm like that's a lot of protein. How much protein do you recommend?
Speaker 3:I would say. I mean, I always like to say, shoot for a hundred grams. You know, most women actually need more than that. But you know, 80 to a hundred. You know, I mean, if you, if you get in the habit of eating that morning meal, you'll get there faster because you know, because you want like a lower calorie but higher protein morning meal, and then I mean you'd be shocked at your energy.
Speaker 1:And also, it will just supercharge and like.
Speaker 3:Better than a caffeine.
Speaker 1:People think that they eat enough protein and I'm like well, just track it and shoot for like 80 to 100. Right, and they shoot for like they get to like 60 or 70. They're like oh my God, I'm so full, I, and they shoot for, like they get to like six years, 70.
Speaker 2:They're like oh my God, I'm so full, I'm so full and I'm like, yeah as you realize protein.
Speaker 3:How little protein. Two boiled eggs in the morning, that's it. I really thought I was doing really good. But then also, you know, again, like what you're saying, a lot of people just walk around hungry all the time and I'm like if you got enough protein, you would not be hungry. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:I start my morning with eggs and turkey bacon and it's hard to like, it's hard to eat it Like like it's. It's very filling, yeah, so which is a good thing. I know, I know, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's interesting you were talking about like people. Some people like do the intermittent fasting, um, which is what my husband does, but then I remember seeing. You might remember his name, I don't remember his name. He kind of blew up on Tik TOK. He's like a health and wellness guy, thank you, um. I remember one of his, immediately one of his TikToks. He was saying like you should have 30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking.
Speaker 1:And then 30 minutes of walking.
Speaker 2:And 30 minutes of movement. Yeah, movement, movement. Not like cardio, but just like move around for 30 minutes and watch how your entire day changes. Right, I could agree with that. Okay.
Speaker 3:I mean 30 minutes is kind of a stretch for me, I know, Because I'm like that's really hard when you have kids and you're like getting them ready for school, but that's what I like to say.
Speaker 3:I like to say at least about 10. Like, that's what you know, because if you drank a little bit of coffee, or you're getting the kids ready, you know what I mean. There's other stuff that you're going to be doing, but you know it get off that stress hormone train. You got to get off of it. You're going to help a lot, I think moms deal a lot with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well well.
Speaker 1:so that's, that's a good point to slow down, rest more, learn to be, not to do.
Speaker 3:Isn't that interesting for our society as a whole, though?
Speaker 1:Right, Because I was going to say part of my language. But how the fuck do?
Speaker 3:you do that. I mean, it's just, we're in this like go, go, go, go go, like I'm not doing enough. You always feel like how can I do more, how can I be more productive? How can I? You know what I mean right, and this is not conducive to health so it always feels like an uphill battle, though, because it is.
Speaker 1:I saw this video where this mom was talking about. I think that sports ruins can ruin families because we literally yeah, we literally have something to do every night.
Speaker 1:We both work. Then we have to go to a game or we have to go to practice and all of us are so stressed. And my kids are kids and, like you used to just be able to play sports and you could play whatever sport you wanted, and now it's like you have to travel ball and, yeah, you have to start when you're three and like you do all these things outside of the school like leagues and whatever, and it's just like it kills families. But it's like how do you rest more where you, your entire family learns that in the world that we live in, Cool.
Speaker 3:I think being you have to be more intentional and I mean, I agree, it's like it's just not the world we live in right now. So you have to make it that way. Yeah, okay, it's really you have to go against the norm. Rebel, you kind of do I. I mean I like to say like, reclaim the weekends, um, especially with kids, is really important. Um, sometimes you know it's good for them to just be bored. Sometimes, you know, because that's where creativity is born. You know that's really where you connect more as a family, um, just kind of just being there together. Um, it's.
Speaker 3:It is hard now and I almost feel like I mean, I'm even experiencing this with my kids' school. Every kid does every sport. There is no downtime. Really, I mean you're just going, going, going. I mean, as a parent, I'm thinking, gosh, aren't these kids tired? I mean it's, it's a lot. You know they really it's like and they want to do it. It's not like they're not happy doing it, but you know you're really it's introducing them into this very fast-paced lifestyle, which I'm not sure is always a good thing, right, I'm like do.
Speaker 1:They want to do it because they're young and they have energy and they're like conditioned that that's just like the norm.
Speaker 2:And then they get to an adult and they're like oh God, I'm tired. I struggle with that because Elle is a little gymnast and she practices 12 hours a week and we have meets and I struggle because she loves it Right. Absolutely loves it. We give her the opportunity every year. Like you don't have to do this competitively, she's also super, super competitive. Yeah, so I'm like am I ruining her?
Speaker 3:like I think it's, I mean, and it's something that she enjoys, I think it's great yeah I really do. But you know it's like you. Just you gotta find that balance somewhere I don't know I'm a I'm a fan of like skipping plans every now and then oh, we are so we so we are so fans of that I like that Just being like you know what? Let's just, we're just going to take today off.
Speaker 1:I love canceling plans.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's, nothing makes me happier, honestly, Right when someone's like oh sorry, I can't make it. Don't feel bad yeah, don.
Speaker 2:At least we have that understanding with each other. Yeah, If you ever are like wanting to cancel. Don't ever feel guilty, because she'll text me immediately. I'll be like same. Oh my God, same. Yeah, let's cancel at the same time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, cause I just you know, downtime is.
Speaker 2:That's a good cancel culture right there.
Speaker 3:Yes, there you go, it is, it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, oh, go ahead, go ahead. Biofeedback. Yes, talk about it, I've been. I've been. I've been like. This one is a very fascinating one to me. People ask me about it and I'm like I don't know. It just just tells me the things that I need to work on. I don't know how it shows me things. It shows me what's showing up in my body. I don't know how it does it and why it does it, but it just does. So can you give? A better example than what I would give. I can try.
Speaker 3:So I have Zyto biofeedback um which goes through galvanic skin response. So it is a software Um. It's a hand cradle mechanism. So you know you lay your hand on the hand cradle, you're not going to feel anything, but the software sends impulses to your body um, scanning each body system. It'll tell us what is stressing that body system and then also it'll scan for several different vitamins, minerals or herbs um. That may help you bring it back into balance that you have a good resonance with. So it's really, really. It comes out with a very impressive report which you've seen. You know it's very nice to be able to take that home and just kind of read through it.
Speaker 3:You know, everybody loves a reading. I think it's very interesting. Every time I get a scan I'm just I love it, it's really fun. But you know, so really, it's based on muscle testing, it's based on frequency-based medicine, which is very interesting to me. I mean, I don't like protocols because of that, because everyone is so individual. I do have, you know, certain things that I'll go to, you know, for different deficiencies or different symptoms, but as a whole, you know, doing a biofeedback scan, you can really get a better handle on what exactly you're needing right now, which is really nice. And again, you know, when we look at the urine and saliva testing, there you go, I mean, a lot of times, like the same things start popping up and then we know, okay, well, definitely this is something that we should focus on. First, you know, make some changes, come back, do another scan, see what shakes out. You know it's, it's great, it really really is.
Speaker 2:So your biofeedback that I did was a little bit different than the first time I ever did biofeedback. I didn't realize there were different types. There's a lot of different ones, yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, but there were some things that showed up on yours that like were congruent with what showed up on my first one, my first one. We did talk about this in an episode, but she was asking if I was like recently pregnant or had recently miscarried, or there was like some stuff showing up and I was like that's interesting, cause I did miscarry this time, but like a decade ago. And she was like did you work through that? Have you processed that? And I was like no, because we got pregnant again right after and I never really thought about it after that. I'm like tearing up, I'm sorry it happens. Um, and then there was something else that showed up that was like this is showing you have a lot of religious trauma, and I was like what the fuck? Like how did you know that? So I think something similar showed up with you not the miscarriage thing, cause maybe cause I worked through it Like does it? Something show up different every time, like if, if something is no longer.
Speaker 3:Yes. So I mean, and often, sometimes the same things show up again, you know, because we were addressing it but it's not quite resolved yet. So, yes, sometimes they'll show up again, um, but for the most part, different things will come up because, like I said, we're addressing certain things. You come back, do another scan, then we've got these other things that kind of come to the forefront, so, um, but this does. It does also address emotions, which is really interesting. And so, yeah, I kind of want to touch on that too, because, you know, we cannot address anything in the physical without also looking at emotions, because, you know, I like to say it's like the chicken or the egg we don't know which one came first. You know, often you've got these emotions, um, and especially if they're these trapped emotions that have been around hanging around for a long time, they can cause a lot of organ stress, um, but also, like physical, um, illnesses can also cause out of balance emotions too. So we really, you know, addressing both of them and that is holistic, that's the holistic way. That's, you know, that's what I really like to focus on.
Speaker 3:This also kind of goes into the Bach flower remedies, because that is a frequency-based modality as well, and I love that. Just a little back story. Dr Edward Bach was a physician in the 30s and he discovered that there was 38 different flowers and plants that can gently shift negative emotions back to positive. So truly interesting, you know. Since it's all frequency, I like to say it's not like when you take a medication, you know, for anxiety or depression, and like okay, like okay, you can feel there's been a shift. Um, this is not like that. This is like, over the course of three or four days you might notice oh, you know, that really would have bothered me before and it doesn't so much now, which is really nice, you know. And so you know microdosing with flowers it's microdosing.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was really cool. We I, you had me do a questionnaire and it was like asking like what is it Always, never sometimes, or something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it kind of. So each flower represents different emotions, okay, and so, um, basically, you know that particular flower, let's say like beach, for one, that's a really popular one, because that's a good one for tolerance, like, let's say that you have a really short fuse, you know, and so everything's kind of getting on your nerves, especially what other people are doing, not so much you, but it's like you know that's really irritating what he's doing or what she's doing. So beach is great because it kind of helps to build up that tolerance in you where you're not annoyed so much about other people's business Interesting Basically or activities. But you know, and that's just one of them, there's 38 of them.
Speaker 3:So really, you know, and I build a little tincture bottle. It's virtually tasteless and you can add it to beverages, you can put it under your tongue. But I add about I like to blend no more than eight remedies at a time, because you know I don't want to put all 38 frequencies coming at you. It's just too much. So, yes, I do like to do the questionnaire, only because I don't go just by the questionnaire. But you know, if I haven't met you yet, it's nice to kind of get a handle on, like what you're feeling, you know before, like we talk and then we can blend.
Speaker 2:Are you sad or are you angry? Because I've got a flower for each one of those. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2:So the frequencies this is so interesting to me, I did go down a little box rabbit hole after I left your office that day Cause I was like I have never heard of this. This is so cool, but I. Usually we talk about psychedelics and this is like an episode where it hasn't come up. But I have also read um, they are doing these frequencies like vitamin C. They can take the frequency of vitamin C and you can listen to it and your body reacts to it in the same way as it would if you were taking vitamin C as a supplement, because it is like healing your body by frequency. And so in some of these studies, they are doing studies right now to study the frequency of psychedelics, so you can get the same benefits of these psychedelics without the ingesting without the trip.
Speaker 2:part of it Interesting.
Speaker 3:That's interesting, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I am a big believer in frequencies and I also, at night, listen to um a chakra balancing frequency playlist.
Speaker 3:That's great.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that yeah.
Speaker 2:That's great. I've sent it to you before I think, um, yeah, we probably have. Yes, so yeah, I'm a big believer in frequencies. And you said you were about to go to a training.
Speaker 3:Yes, so I'm getting ready to attend a contact reflex analysis seminar. I hope to be certified after that. You know, we'll kind of see how the seminar goes, but it's very interesting it is. It assesses different reflex points in the body. It goes, it's, you know, a lot of like energy frequency type medicine. But really, I mean frequency medicine is the way of the future. So you know, I definitely I want to get in on that. Um, I love it already, but I just have not learned the actual technique yet. So I'm excited to learn it and use it with my clients.
Speaker 2:And so how would you I do you know this already, but, like, if you are like prescribing a frequency to someone, how does that work?
Speaker 3:Um well, I don't know that. It's like prescribing a frequency it's more of um, getting a lot more detailed about what's going on in the body.
Speaker 2:So, you know fine tuning yes.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's just getting a lot more detailed, which you know. The biofeedback software is very detailed. I would say this is even more so. So you know, and this, um, I may not. I may even be able to get rid of the biofeedback and just do this. That's kind of a goal for me. So we'll see, wow, We'll see. But yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm very I respect a lot of the doctors who already practice this Um. Unfortunately there's not a lot in Kentucky, so again that kind of pushed me to. I'm like you know not a lot of us do this, so this would be a really unique um modality for my clients and for me and my family. So we're down. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh, you can come and be my test taker. Oh, we love that, I'll have you come in one day and practice on you.
Speaker 3:Give me the word, yeah.
Speaker 2:Give me the word, we'll show up together. So I don't think. I don't know if any like most of some of our listeners are probably in this space enough to understand what frequencies are, but I think it's really cool the first time I ever heard about like four, 32 Hertz. It's like the frequency for like your heart and your heart chakra and can help balance that. I think sometimes talking about this stuff makes people feel like like out of touch.
Speaker 2:They're like I have no idea what you're talking about, but what I would say is the first time I ever heard of this was like after a um, a Reiki session and she she basically was just like I want you to listen to this on your way home and you're you might cry a lot, um, but we're trying to balance that heart chakra and this will help do that. It was so weird to me because I'm just listening to this frequency in the car and it's just like yeah, but it like I could feel it in my heart, and so there are different frequencies with different chakras and different parts of the body and I just invite people to like be open to the possibility that, like it's possible to hear something and feel it correlated somewhere in your body. It was just the wildest thing to me. That was kind of what got me started on like oh my God, there's something to this and you know dogs can hear frequencies that humans can't, so there's clearly something there.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Well, and you know we think we're all energy. Everything, everything about us is energy and frequency, and so we do. We respond to these things. It's another reason why, like EMFs and 5G, can have a negative effect on us, because it's messing with those frequencies. It is such a powerful frequency that it's it's going to affect us.
Speaker 2:So my husband doesn't believe me on that one, but I've got like Shungite stickers and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:What's that? It's like a kind of neutralizes.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, it's like a you can buy like stickers. It's kind of like a crystal. Send it to me, okay. Yeah, I mean you're supposed to like set them by your like TVs and your internet cable and like you can also put it on your phone, the sticker you can put on your phone.
Speaker 1:I need that.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean and a lot of you know actually like EMF sensitivity, so electromagnetic radiation will show up on the biofeedback as well for certain people. I mean, you know, I have to say, not everyone is super sensitive to that frequency, but it's come up a lot lately. So you know, I like to say, don't sleep with your phone, obviously, but I mean, if it is in your room airplane mode is helpful, because when we're asleep we're really a lot more vulnerable to these frequencies.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, like you don't want your Wi-Fi router in your bedroom, that'd be a big no-no. I would move it. You know, to be as far away from sleeping as possible.
Speaker 1:I never even thought about that stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I heard that quite a few times Like not to sleep with your phone connected to Wi-Fi next to you.
Speaker 3:Right, right. I mean it's just because I think we're well, we're always sensitive to it, but when you're sleeping you're especially vulnerable, so because that's when you're healing, that's when your defenses are down. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I fully believe that there was an app that I used to use that, um, you could speak affirmations into it with your own voice.
Speaker 2:Um, oh God, I can't remember the name of it, but I did it for a while and I would sleep with that because it was frequencies behind my voice, speaking affirmations like to myself, and it's like when you are in that sleep state you are more vulnerable and easily right. I hate saying the word manipulated, but like, yes, like that's why in like some really bad cases, like people will sleep, deprive people to manipulate them right um right, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I was like putting all the positive affirmations in my brain now I want to take my phone and like put it in my bathroom yeah, yeah, you can, yeah and just like set my alarm, and that would that's what I had to get my butt up.
Speaker 2:Okay. But, airplane mode works too.
Speaker 3:Airplane mode is great. I know a lot of people don't like that because I don't know. I guess you can't still get calls if it's on airplane mode. So, but yeah, I mean, if you move it, just get it away from me. That's the biggest thing. This is why, like again, like grounding sheets sometimes people talk about the grounding bags stuff like while you're sleeping can help a lot too, because that does mitigate EMF. I've seen that too. Yeah, they're a little pricey. I like you know I'm, you know it's kind of the same thing as going out and grounding or earthing.
Speaker 3:You know I'm you know it's kind of the same thing as going out and grounding or earthing. You know, just bare feet on the grass, um same idea. But if you want like a fun gift for yourself, yeah, I think grounding sheets are great.
Speaker 2:I just heard about palming. What's that? It's like grounding, but like, instead of having to take your shoes and socks off outside, you literally just like sit on the ground with your palms on the ground. Yeah, off outside, you literally just like. Sit on the ground with your palms on the ground. Yeah, people think I'm so weird. Y'all. I'm so happy to be in a room with weirdos. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1:We all think the same way we're not weird, they are no right actually I'm not the weird one, so back to the biofeedback. Okay Cause.
Speaker 3:I feel like bring us back in, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, it's like when it's pages long, like going through it. Um, a lot of what shows up has shown up. For me is like anger grief. We learned that I was dehydrated. I'm trying to think of, I'm literally trying to like I'm drawing a blank. I struggle with sleep which, by the way, I realized I was taking like 10 milligrams of melatonin not like one. Right yeah.
Speaker 3:I changed. It makes a difference. It does, because you probably were waking up like a thorn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like oh god, I guess I'm gonna get ready for the day right, right, wait, you were taking 10 and thought it was one.
Speaker 1:No, I was taking 10. And then I talked to her because like I had low melatonin, so she was like we'll take melatonin. And then she was like how much are you taking? I was like I don't know, I think like five maybe. I went home and it was 10 and she's like, yeah, I want you to take like one. And I would wake up and I because I would be like, well, I don't have, you know, melatonin, I need melatonin and I've.
Speaker 1:I would be like really, yeah like groggy and like, still, like I just want to go back to bed and one of the worst ones too, is like delayed release.
Speaker 3:I'd like to say don't. Don't do that either because you want. The melatonin is great, you know, I'm not saying don't use it, but I do. I like a low dose and I don't like the delayed release, cause you mainly it's just kind of to get to sleep, you know, just to just to help a little bit.
Speaker 1:But um yeah, but a lot of things showed up cause it was like emotions it. It was like emotions, it was like dehydrate. I don't even remember all of the things that were wrong with me so I don't know, I don't know if you remember either, but so much, so, so much I'm like am I your worst?
Speaker 3:client. Well, and anger is an interesting one because, um, when that shows up, I always focus on the liver. The liver is the holder of that heavy emotion. So anger you may not even feel. I mean, I'm sure you saw that and you're like I don't even feel angry why.
Speaker 4:She's pretty angry all the time, not all the time I'm working on it, but anger is.
Speaker 1:I think anger for me was a safer emotion than crying.
Speaker 3:Like dealing with the other yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, and also any kind of like, when the liver is stressed it will hold that anger, but also, at the same time, when you're feeling angry it's going to be hard on the liver. So you know it really, but lifting that emotion can be a game changer. I don't know how you're doing on the Bach flowers. Did you like them?
Speaker 1:I do love them, yeah, I want more, because I feel like, don't they kind of like fade after?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean the first two weeks after I blend them, they're the most helpful. I mean, you can still use them after that, but yeah, okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no I felt a difference with that. I that, um, I'm trying to think if there's anything to include on the biofeedback Cause that was.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I just had never done that before and it was the most. Do you remember what showed up for you? I honestly do. I think some grief and sadness, um, which we all know. When we've talked about it before, she brought that up and I was like, well, my husband's a recovering alcoholic, so there's a lot of grief. That, yeah, you know, we've been working through and that's the thing, though, like we have been, like I, it's not anything that that I didn't, I know already know it's very accurate.
Speaker 2:I've already been kind of working through, which was really interesting well, it's also nice.
Speaker 3:It's almost kind of liberating to see it like okay, so I'm not. I know, yeah, I know my body and yeah, so this is correct, you know it's yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think that it's probably going to be there for a while because it's it's a constant healing process of working through it. So you know, hopefully next time it'll be a little bit better.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I was going to ask like, can there, can I ever get to a point where you're like you know what You're? Great Biofeedback, it was perfect you have all peaceful emotions, I feel like well, you know.
Speaker 3:I feel like we're a work in progress, so not to say that you know, even me, I'm not going to be perfect. Really. I mean, there's always something that I can work on. I mean, will you get a ton better? And probably be like, yeah, you don't need to come see me as often. You know what?
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, like that kind of thing, and we'll just do like a maintenance thing. But you know I feel like paying attention to you and you know focusing on your health is never a waste of time. You know you can always benefit in some way. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:One thing I forgot to include is in the biofeedback it showed up that I had candida. Can you explain what?
Speaker 3:candida is yes, so candida is naturally occurring in the gut. We all have some, okay, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's when digestion is more slow that we can have an overgrowth of candida, which can lead to UTIs or yeast infections, or you know thrush, or you know really a lot of different things. It does go hand in hand with estrogen dominance. So it's you know. It's really important to get a handle on it. Candida is a fungus and if too much of a fungus for too long, it can really cause a bigger out of balance condition. So we do, you know. That is, and Candida is very common. Okay, common is not what I like to say. It's not normal, but it's common. A lot of people today do have a lot of overgrowth of Candida, um, today do have a lot of overgrowth of candida, um, but it is of root of you know a lot of different imbalances.
Speaker 1:So I like to get a handle on that for sure. Yeah, yeah, which that has improved, luckily that tracks with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sure does. Do you have any tips on people who also have high estrogen, like I do?
Speaker 3:Yes, well, first and foremost, blood sugar is really. I mean, that is one of my top focuses for a reason because when, um, when you have erratic blood sugars, if you're eating too much sugar, that's really going to lower your progesterone and um, be hard on your adrenals and then the estrogen gets out of control. So, um, also, like, if you have slow digestion, that's a big um red flag because estrogen only leaves through the bowels. So if you're not going to the bathroom every day, then a lot of that excess estrogen is just circulating. Um, you know, and there's a lot of different kinds of estrogen. So, you know, even like someone that's postmenopausal, they're like well, I don't have any estrogen. Well, yeah, you do, because your fat cells still continue to make it. And we're being surrounded by so many toxic estrogens beauty care products, even the water, I mean, we're truly bombarded by excess estrogens, and so you really want to continually be detoxing your body, and the number one way is going to the bathroom every day. So, um, but you know, at the same time, I'm a huge fan of some bioidentical progesterone.
Speaker 3:I feel like, you know, after the age of 35, our progesterone really starts to wane. Progesterone is a very calming, protective hormone. Um, when it's missing, then estrogen kind of gets unbalanced and erratic. We don't want that because that can cause other bigger problems. So, um, I do carry progesterone in my office because it is. It's a great thing to supplement when needed. It's safe. Um, it really helps to improve sleep. If you're not sleeping, oftentimes it's low progesterone is to blame.
Speaker 2:I learned so many things. I could pick one out of a lot. I know seriously Things that we were taught. And then I hear it from you and it validates what I've been feeling or I've seen it somewhere else. I'm like, huh, that goes against everything that I ever learned. And then you say it and I'm like, oh my God, like it doesn't matter how much water you're drinking, you could still be dehydrated if you're not getting enough sodium. And what I learned growing up is too much sodium is bad for you. And now you and I are drinking our salty drinks every morning.
Speaker 1:I drink two elements a day, baby Right. I got one? Yeah, because I was dehydrated and I started drinking those You're like how I drink so much water. I'm like that's literally all I drink. Is water, right? And I guess can you explain that? Because now I started drinking two elements a day and then the next time I came back you're like oh my gosh, it's so much better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely. I mean I think low sodium is a huge problem with our society because a lot of people drinking a ton of water, not not feeling quenched, still feeling thirsty. That water is just not getting pushed into the cells. So you know low sodium, what depletes sodium? Why is everyone so low in sodium?
Speaker 3:Adrenal fatigue, adrenal imbalance. Because the adrenal glands are really nourished by sodium. When they are stressed any kind of adrenal stress, so that's emotional or physical you lose a lot of sodium and potassium, especially overnight. So in the morning is when you're really going to feel that depletion. Sometimes people wake up kind of shaky or like a headache front or the back of the head, some like maybe some leg cramps, heart palpitations. You know a lot of things.
Speaker 3:But also when you're low in sodium you're going to be low for stomach acid. So that means your digestion is kind of struggling, constipation. I love sodium because it's going to help. Low for stomach acid, so that means your digestion is kind of struggling, constipation. I love sodium because it's going to help to improve gut motility and it works pretty quickly too. But you've really. It also sets you up for better blood sugars throughout the day, because when you're low in sodium your blood sugar tends to be more erratic, so getting it in the morning can be a game changer, just to keep you more even. Also, sodium lowers adrenaline. So when you think about the adrenal glands, that's one of words what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:So it's really I love my lmnt same it's, I know link in bio and that is like. I drink it every single morning, every morning and and it gets.
Speaker 1:It's gotten to the point where I crave it.
Speaker 1:Yes, like I want it, like I feel like it's it, like it hydrates me right where with before, when I was just drinking straight water, I could drink and drink and drink it was never enough and then the other problem that I would have is I always just felt so thirsty and so, like a lot of times, I would, you know, drink before bed because, like you know, I had dinner and like I'd brush my teeth and then everything I did, I felt like I had to like chug water. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 1:But, then at night like and I still struggle with this a little bit going to the bathroom all night.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Easily, like before it was like four or five times a night.
Speaker 3:So then I'm not getting good sleep. Right. So has that gotten better it has.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't when I'm not doing the right things. Like you said, I have to be very intentional about like my everyday habits. Yeah, truly, and and yeah, um, this is off topic, but we've talked about like ssris, even little things like I feel, like people here. We live in the valley, we struggle with allergies and so people's immediate the valley.
Speaker 2:People's immediate. La.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking, I know the valley that's right Ohio Valley. The Ohio Valley. The Ohio Valley.
Speaker 3:It sounds a lot cooler. Yeah, you made it sound really cool. We live in the valley.
Speaker 2:Do we?
Speaker 1:But, like, everyone's go-to is to like take an allergy pill or you know you have a headache you take an ibuprofen or you do this and like what are your opinions on, just kind of even just like over the counter?
Speaker 3:drugs. Well um, allergies indicate a full liver, so I've really and.
Speaker 1:I emailed you about this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do really like um digestive enzymes though, because so enzymes are like Pac-Man in the body. They really kind of run through and they break down these undigested proteins and inorganic minerals, toxins, allergens that are kind of just floating around causing problems like allergies. So if we increase our digestive enzymes, that can really alleviate a lot of symptoms. Um, and I find also, you know, as we age you lose a lot of that digestive enzyme activity. You just don't have as much of it and so, honestly, the majority of the population could really benefit from digestive enzymes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I take some, I have to check out what you take.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well and OK, that brings me to my next point, because I feel like after seeing you, my morning routine was simplified, like I felt like not so overwhelmed. I remember when I came to you I was like I don't know what I'm supposed to be taking. Like you hear this is good, so you take it. You hear this is good, so you take it. The same with like magnesium. Like everybody is on this, like big magnesium kick right now, and it's like your body can't even right absorb it. Right, if you're not doing this and if you're deficient in this, then the magnesium is not doing anything.
Speaker 1:Well, and when we were going to the functional practitioner, like we were taking a lot of supplements and they were expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I was on a lot of supplements.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so then it's like and then they change, and then they changed every month.
Speaker 2:So then when?
Speaker 1:you're done, you're like okay, so what should I do?
Speaker 2:Right, right, and that's kind of where I was like I was left lost because I'm like well, so now what what do I do now?
Speaker 2:What do I need? So when I came to you, I had a list of what I was taking and it was really just like basic. I'm like I take vitamin A, I take vitamin D, I take vitamin B12. And you were like, okay, you don't need this, you don't need this. This is what you do need, this is what you do need, this is what you do need, this is what you do need. And I was like that made it so much easier for me, yeah, to follow.
Speaker 2:it wasn't goal, yeah, near is overwhelming right and we don't think about the fact that, like, everybody's body needs different things and so just because vitamin a is good for you doesn't mean you need it. Right, right, right, yeah I love that about you. Yeah, there's a lot of things I love about you but I'm a I'm a Bethany believer now yeah.
Speaker 1:That's Stan. Okay, I have one more question. Okay, what are? What is your opinion on birth control? I hate it.
Speaker 3:Can you elaborate why? So it is not fixing anything. It is only tricking the body to thinking that it's it's just. It's like it's it's synthetic hormones, and synthetic hormones are very toxic. So you know it's um. It's often way over prescribed for for everything from acne to depression to um lighter periods. Yeah To you know, get periods under control. Um no, and it really it increases a lot of toxic estrogens in the body. So again, you know, and it and it takes a long time to get back into balance from that I.
Speaker 2:It took me two years yeah it's very to be off of it fully to have like normal periods again. I thought I was a heavy bleeder for life and that two years coming off of it like I wanted to go back on it yeah so many times. It took two years for my skin to clear up. It took so long.
Speaker 1:Are heavy periods normal, I feel like they're normal, but like normal, like that's a lot of women struggle with that I feel like a lot of women struggle with that Is that something, where maybe there's something Common or normal. Is there something underlying? Yes, absolutely. I've read that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. I think number one a lot of. I mean even 12 year olds even just starting your period, they have the worst cramps ever. I would have put myself in that category way back then. Looking back, what was the number one thing? Not eating enough protein 100%. People overeat the carbs. Not enough protein 100.
Speaker 2:People overeat the carbs not enough.
Speaker 3:Always the protein. It truly I mean, because if you did that and just stayed, really hydrated cramps would go bye-bye. It's not yeah and so and then you think about so you've got this huge problem. You're trying to just go to the doctor, get a pill fix it, but really it's just setting you up for maybe even a fertility problem.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean it's just more problems down the road. But people just don't know. People don't know how easy of a fix these things can be.
Speaker 2:I have a documentary that I recommend to everybody the Business of Birth Control.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It is a really good one. It will change your life when it comes to whether or not you are thinking about being on or off, or putting your children on or off birth control. It's a really good documentary.
Speaker 1:But what about? So then? If you hate it, what is the alternative for young girls? Who are wanting a form of birth control like preventative. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I would say I would go to the barrier method before anything else.
Speaker 2:What is that I have?
Speaker 3:condoms. Oh, oh, apparently we're.
Speaker 1:Never heard of her.
Speaker 2:I'm married with three kids. I've been married a long time. What are those I mean? But I basically I'm so sorry. Oh that Right.
Speaker 3:Okay, oh, that Okay. So I mean because that doesn't mess with you. Okay, so that you know it is not going to mess with your hormones. I don't want you to take anything that's going to mess with your hormones. But also pay attention to your body. You know, I know that you know as you get older it's easier to do, obviously, but pay attention to your cycles. You can't get pregnant every day of your cycle.
Speaker 2:You know there's like five or six days that it's even remotely possible I mean honestly, maybe even closer to three when you and I just started using the starlight app and I've had period tracking apps before, but the starlight app is the first app that has ever told me anything about the follicular phase, the luteal phase, the ovulation phase and I was like I need to start using. I have never learned so much about my body than using this app. I didn't know what luteal meant. I didn't know what follicular was like. I didn't know that, like you, could be working out and doing different things during different times. And yeah, it's. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1:Do you know what her nickname is?
Speaker 2:What is my nickname?
Speaker 1:Oh, we call her Ludia Leah.
Speaker 2:It happens every time where I'm like I'm like a hot mess. I'm either super ragey or I'm super emotional and I'm like am I in my Ludial? And then I look and I'm like oh yeah. I'm in my Ludial.
Speaker 2:And so that's the thing that I think is a big misconception. So many people and women I was one of them, I'm a woman and I felt this way. I thought that like when you were on your period, you were emotional and that was your most emotional, yeah, and you see memes about it, like you know, and then it's like actually, no, you are more emotional during your luteal phase, which is the leading up to the period phase. Right. Yeah Right, why aren't we taught this stuff? Yeah, they don't even teach this in. No.
Speaker 2:You got to Home ec in anatomy in any of that shit. I had to learn it as a 40 year old woman on an app.
Speaker 3:That's why we're here. That's why we're here.
Speaker 2:So yeah, the tracking works and the barrier method.
Speaker 1:Condoms, condoms, never heard of it.
Speaker 3:She made me say it, but I will also kind of throw this in too. You know, I feel like, especially like teenage years, early twenties, anxiety becomes an issue, and I kind of want to talk about that too. Oh yeah, it is always a hormone problem um too much estrogen, always okay, so, okay.
Speaker 1:so this generation of kids and teens, I feel like, are so mentally sick. They struggle with anxiety, struggle with depression. It is, I've noticed, having two young stepdaughters is that so many of their friends are medicated. It's almost the norm.
Speaker 2:I feel like we're the not norm family because none of our kids are medicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:And I think that my kids are not different, but we're not the norm because we're not a medicated family and people think that's super weird, right? Yes like I talk about austin having adhd and they're like is he medicated?
Speaker 1:I'm like no, yeah, no, yeah and I won't either yeah, and I think my son has adhd as well, and like that's not even. I'm like okay, we're gonna be outside all day long, yeah, you know we're gonna play and get some energy out.
Speaker 1:But for, like the teens who really struggle with, you know, anxiety, depression, like what are some tools that us parents can use for our kids, because this is a very. This is like new territory, because when I was in high school I didn't. I think I had anxiety, but I didn't even know what that meant, where now I feel like they're exposed to so much and all of them, most of them, a lot of them, whatever um they, they mentally struggle, great question.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and which is it's very multifaceted, so like not every um case is going to be the same, what I would do is really focus on blood sugar, number one. I really would, you know, make sure they get plenty of protein and really try to limit processed foods, because those have, like these excitatory chemicals. I know it is hard, very hard for kids, I feel like even going to school they're just it's thrown at them. I mean it's it's.
Speaker 3:So. It's very, very hard, um, but I always feel like, instead of saying don't do this, don't do this, don't do this, let's try to crowd it out with good stuff. Let's, you know, really try to, like, give them lots of protein, you know, fruits and vegetables, give them as good clean water as you can, um, you know, and then the occasional treat's going to happen. It's just, it's going to happen because that's the world we live in, you know, and so it's all about some balance. Um, sleep is very important. So, you know, regular sleep schedules are a big um, but, like I said, every case is very different. I do have, I carry, the Vervita line of supplements, and there is one that I really, really love for kids, um, in cases of, like, anxiety or depression, and Spiracel is wonderful. There's one that does really well with it, called Calms at nighttime. That's really fantastic.
Speaker 1:I take those.
Speaker 3:Oh, do you yeah.
Speaker 1:Did I give you those? No, oh you just took them. Yeah, can you get them? Can you get them from Whole Foods? I don't think so. Okay, I'm thinking of something else.
Speaker 3:Yeah them. Can you get them from whole foods? I don't think so. Okay, I'm thinking of something else. Yeah, okay, never mind, yeah, I don't think so. But I mean, spirit cell is really wonderful because it has natural gaba gaba is very calming um, also it has like all the methylated b vitamins, so it really supports methylation, which is normally a problem as well. But I mean, you know, there are definitely, there's so many ways that you can support these kids. It's you know, and also you need to realize that kids are so resilient. They're not like us where it's like an uphill climb, you know. I mean, a lot of times they have youth on their side. You know, it's just a couple little things that you can put in there to really kind of rein them back in and make a huge difference in how they feel.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I was listening to a podcast the other day and I think I sent it to you, but it was talking about like anxiety and kids these days and how we are, as a society, trying to get rid of anxiety. But it's actually not necessarily always a negative thing. It can be an indicator that something needs to change. It can be a invitation to move, and the way that she said it was like imagine someone who has never experienced anxiety in their life, who doesn't know what that is, never had it pure, pure, pure. They're going to cross the street without looking both ways because they have no fear. Right, and a little bit of fear is healthy? Oh yeah, Because it teaches you to be cautious.
Speaker 3:Well, the same with cortisol. A little bit of cortisol is good. The cortisol is a good thing. It's when it's imbalanced that it becomes a problem. But yes, like anxiety, is there to protect us first and foremost. You know, it's when it starts disrupting your life that it's becomes a problem. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I think a lot of people don't realize like well, maybe I need to change some things in my life.
Speaker 2:Or maybe my job is causing my anxiety.
Speaker 1:Right, maybe the way I eat, maybe how I'm sleeping? Yeah, the processed foods.
Speaker 2:One is I went down a rabbit hole the other day that, um, and this is you can look this up but, like big tobacco companies, bought a lot of the food companies because they realized that they were just as addictive because of the things that are put in them as nicotine is.
Speaker 3:So sad yeah.
Speaker 1:They own a lot of the big processed food companies and even like to parents who are like well, my kids ate mcdonald's, I make donald's and I turned out fine. I saw a video where it's like, yeah, but the the fries that they made 30 years ago.
Speaker 3:They're made differently now yeah, like because they are always trying to find cheaper ways to make that food well, they used to be fried in beef tallow, oh, which is a real food, okay, oh, like now it's seed oils, canola oil, vegetable oil, very inflammatory, highly toxic, I mean, you know. So it's just not the same. It's just not the same than it used to be.
Speaker 2:Reading a lot about seed oils too. Here's's the thing. All of this information can sound so overwhelming, because it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, I will leave people with this. You can never be 100% toxic free, no, and you can never be 100% processed processed food, for I mean, I guess you could, but that would be a really, really hard life to maintain, to live your life.
Speaker 2:It's not like, yeah, live your life right I think what we keep coming back to in this conversation. Conversation is intention, yeah, and you can be intentional and you can lighten the load exactly, and so it's almost like I know soda's bad for me, but every now and then I'm like I'm gonna treat myself to a soda. But I know it's bad for me, but, like, my intention isn't like.
Speaker 1:I drink this every single day, multiple times a day. It's like you know, I'm having pizza with my family. I'm gonna have a Diet Coke.
Speaker 2:Exactly Right. Yeah, yeah, except I don't do diet.
Speaker 3:Okay, a little bit being real, I'm still intentional. Okay, that's right, that's right Do you have anything else.
Speaker 2:No, I think we covered so much.
Speaker 1:I mean, this podcast could be five hours.
Speaker 2:It really could, if I wanted it to be. I know podcast could be five hours. It really could.
Speaker 3:I wanted it to be I know I gotta let her go so I can eat some protein. Thank you all so much for having me thank you, it's really really fun.
Speaker 1:We're pretty fun. Yeah, I'm a fun person I know.
Speaker 2:When you saw me I was like timid and like, oh god, there's so much wrong with me beth is awesome yeah I I'm excited to get to know you more. I'm excited to come see you for my second appointment and for everybody in the Louisville area, even if you're like outside of Louisville, I would say worth the drive because you're what I'm seeing you every 10 weeks right now. Worth the drive. Can you leave your website information and your Instagram? Yeah, Absolutely. Yes.
Speaker 3:So findingtherootcom is my website. My email is bethany at findingtherootcom. My Instagram handle it's findingtherootllc. I believe. We'll link it, but it is linked on my website as well, so my Facebook and my Instagram is on the website but yeah you know, check me out. Um, you know, I just want to. I love to help people. I really truly do, and so you know I love my clients and I just love improving our quality of lives, you know and it's really what it's about, so it shows you we can feel it um to all of our listeners.
Speaker 2:We'll leave notes in the bio um link in bio um and we'll see you guys on the other side.
