See You On The Other Side
Meet Leah and Christine. Busy moms and entrepreneurs just trying to balance this crazy thing called life. But we don't do surface, and we're definitely not your typical momtrepreneurs...so let's go a little deeper. Empaths, traumatic childhoods, generational trauma, people pleasers, toxic relationship patterns, anxiety, depression, feeling stuck and desperately seeking peace and happiness. And then we fell into the world of magic mushrooms and psychedelics. The catalyst that helped us break out of our comfort zones and took us DEEP into our personal healing journeys. We'll take you behind the scenes as we learn more about the holistic side of healing and all the amazing people we plan on meeting along the way. Join us as we share the good, the bad, and the ugly side of healing. With and without psychedelics. We hope to see you on the other side! Note: We are not professionals and we do not advise the use of illegal substances. For more about psychedelic support or clinical trials in your area, visit https://psychedelic.support/
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73 | Allow Us to Reintroduce Ourselves...Again
Remember the days when we cringed at our former selves? Yeah we do that too. But those moments aren't just comic relief—they're the cornerstones of the empowered individuals we've become. Settle in, fellow explorers, as Christine and I take you on a laughter-filled journey through the evolution of our podcast, "See You on the Other Side." With stories of our past faux pas, we celebrate the growth that has led us from newbie status to confident teenagers of the healing and psychedelic realm. Our shared experiences remind us that personal evolution can be a rollercoaster, with its ups, downs, and loop-the-loops, but the ride is all the richer for it.
Riding the tide of transformation, we unwrap the layers of the mother wound and the interplay between the wounded feminine and masculine, applying these powerful concepts to our own tapestry of life. As we stand firm against the gusts of criticism, especially those from our male counterparts in the healing community, we shed light on why our voices as women are not only necessary but vital for collective empowerment. Our conversations, bolstered by the heartfelt support of our listeners, are testament to the warrior spirit within us all—turning backlash into the very fuel that propels us forward.
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God haters, man Fucking haters. I kind of love it though.
Speaker 2:You don't have haters. You're not big, I don't know the thing.
Speaker 1:Well, to me, I'm like when you're, when you show up in a big way and also you show up in an authentic way, you're going to trigger a lot of people. Yeah, I also think I was like born ready to just eviscerate men, fuck yeah, and like that. Like so Tony was laughing because he's like oh, you look like you like love this, because he's like you're in this healing space, but like these men who are so triggered by like just you guys just being there, he's like you kind of like are liking this. I'm like I kind of do, because I'm like I just think about how wounded you are. It's different. It's so like it's different now, but I'm like I'm just like it's eviscerating them in a different way. It's eviscerating them and can, just continuing to show up and continuing to be big and continuing to not give a fuck.
Speaker 2:Fuck you small penis. You got a small dick, I mean they do.
Speaker 1:You're doing it in a different way.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean that one guy, literally his name was the smallest penis you've ever seen, with this emoji and. I was just I'm here for it, like I kind of love it because, wait, let's talk about it. Okay, welcome back. Yeah, to season three of See you on the Other Side. We have one.
Speaker 1:We're so excited to be back, so excited. We have gotten a ton of new listeners and I am so excited. But we wanted to do kind of another reintroduction episode, because season one we did this and we we have evolved so so much since then. Yeah, when that first episode aired, I had just done my first heroic journey with mushrooms, like a month before, oh my god. Yeah, because we started, I think, in April and my first journey was like the first of March.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what's interesting is like in the beginning you kept saying like I'm a baby in this space and I was like no you're not, I was. I literally was. We both kind of were like I was a toddler, you were newborn, and now we're like teenagers. Yes, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1:But I feel like we'll always be like. I feel like you're always kind of a baby in this space, yeah, because you're always growing and you're always evolving and you're always learning, whether it's with psychedelics, without psychedelics, just in the healing in general. Right, it's never linear, right. So it's like we may be a teenager, but then we may, we may revert back, revert back to middle school and then jump ahead to a young adult and then go back to being a little toddler. I fucking love that.
Speaker 2:I do too. I love that. I do too. That's that's what this is all about, and it's giving you yourself grace when you do revert back, yeah, and being okay with that, and knowing that that's perfectly normal.
Speaker 1:Yes, but listening to some, or listening to those first episodes we talked about this it's cringey, it's so cringey, it's cringey and those things. They weren't the truth. But I think the thing that for me it's not cringey because it's just where I was right and it was where you were. But I think maybe what feels a little bit cringey now is I feel like I'm less in a victim, 100% state yes, you know, you're more empowered. Yeah, those things did happen, You're also more in your feminine.
Speaker 1:Yes, those things did impact me greatly, right, most of my life. I just I've really done a lot of work to heal from those things. So so to go back and to you know, most people don't get to listen to themselves. Yeah, a couple years ago.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what Facebook statuses are, for which those are fucking.
Speaker 1:Those are fucking crunchy. Yeah, it's like 15 years ago Christine posted Christine is fucked up at the bar. It's like awesome status.
Speaker 2:Christine Leah is really craving mac and cheese. I swear to God that was one of them that popped up recently. I was pregnant, I think. Because it was always like Leah is Christine is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Jinx.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Speaking of like, I feel like I did this with a podcast years ago where I could never tell who was who in the podcast. Like I knew their names, the co-hosts, but like if you showed me a picture of the two, I was like I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1:Well, and people think that we're the same person or we're sisters or twins. We're twins Races.
Speaker 2:We are two completely different races, but we hear that often.
Speaker 1:But I'm Leah, hi, and I'm Christine. Hello, hello. So Leah is the golden retriever of the pair. More in my feminine yes, and when you were wounded, you were a wounded feminine.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:I am more of the feral cat. Well, and I should backtrack because you were you're the golden retriever who's like finding her voice. Yeah, and I am the feral cat who's been finding her softness.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm turning into a German shepherd, though.
Speaker 1:I am turning into.
Speaker 2:Not a feral cat.
Speaker 1:Maybe a pit bull, like pit bulls are so sweet, but also more like cats still, oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know enough about cats. A Simeys cat, okay sure.
Speaker 2:They talk a lot.
Speaker 1:Okay, whatever the fuck that they're very vocal.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, great, great, but also still cat energy.
Speaker 1:But did you? Did you cringe listening to that? I did.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I can agree with you in the same sense. So, like you know, to our new listeners, if you are tuning in now, great, awesome, welcome, welcome. If you started at the beginning, which is like what I think a lot of people do, or at least the first few episodes where we're introducing ourselves, it's interesting because, from what you were saying, like I was, I was still. I was healing, I was in this space, I hadn't reconnected with my mom, I was still very wounded from my relationship with my mom had gone. No contact for 1011 years.
Speaker 2:And to see where we are now is very, a completely different version, and I didn't realize it at the time. But as we've evolved and interviewed more and more people and talked to more and more people in this space, we've learned so fucking much about the wounded feminine, the wounded masculine, the mother wounds, the, the heroine's journey, which is literally what I was going through. So if you look at the heroine's journey compared to the hero's journey, there's like a separation from the feminine and then there's a like fixing that. Yeah, and that's where I am.
Speaker 2:Yeah like I've reconnected with the, with the feminine in my life that wounded me and made me who I was.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So it's just an interesting concept, and I think you're there too in a different way, like you know in a different way like you're reconnecting with your feminine because you were so deep in my masculine. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, and I don't think people know what that means, but I think we should do an episode on that where it doesn't sound so, because the thing is nothing to do with gender Right and and men and women, they will have both.
Speaker 1:It's a healthy balance of both.
Speaker 2:Speaking of that healthy balance, we were talking when we first came on about some of the haters that we've had. I love that. That was a perfect segue into that so good. Yeah, yeah. And we had a TikTok that when I don't semi-viral and thousands of comments.
Speaker 1:Out of the thousands of comments, there were a handful of haters and they were 99.9% men who were also in this space, in this space, which I find to be very interesting because one like, isn't there room for all of us? I also think that we get judged by the way that we look and that, you know, we just got the comment like we're just like some basic white bitches who are in this space and ruining it for everybody. But again it goes with, like in so many things, you're expected to fit in a box, you're expected to look a certain way, you're expected to act a certain way. And you know, seeing that in this space where it's like, oh, you don't look the part, you're a woman, you're this, you're that, you're that Damn, you're being it's to me, it's very hypocritical to the whole point of being in this space.
Speaker 2:Well, one of them said and the reason I'm like relating this back to it because the men, and not all men.
Speaker 2:I realized that, like there, were you know Eric came to our defense from sanctuary, but like there were some men who were very their masculine is so wounded, yes, they cannot see like an empowered woman and feel and feel good about it. Yeah, like I mean just some of the comments that we got. One of them was you. You were probably trust fund babies. You've never struggled a day in your life, which is the funniest, but so funny because it's not true. It's the furthest from the truth.
Speaker 2:Like I was like I didn't grow up middle class, I grow up. I grew up like poor, poor getting kicked out of trailers, government housing.
Speaker 1:I mean you grew up single mom, yeah, and with six children, and also from I was born in a country that was there's a lot of poverty, so I'm like that's funny, that's so funny.
Speaker 2:But also like, even if we were fed from a silver spoon, like to think that we didn't grow up with childhood trauma or adversity or wounds. Like is such a like?
Speaker 1:I hate that, but it's the judgment of what we look like it's. It's, this is how you look, so you've probably never been through anything hard and it's like, wow, what a vapid thought. So deep yeah, so you really thought hard on that one, right, right, and you got me, yeah, basic white bitches, which that's funny too.
Speaker 2:The one that was my favorite was the one talking about us like being overweight and old, and I'm like maybe you should get more Botox. And this is a dude who, like, sells psychedelic shit on an.
Speaker 2:Etsy platform Like and he's all like it should be about, you're not, you're making fun of healing and it should be love. And you know, he was like going deep and we were like we know, right, we're not shit, shit, I mean I don't know, it was just wild, yeah. So yeah, my whole point was just like the amount of hate that we get seems to be for men, yeah.
Speaker 1:Which, but to me, all it says is all it says is well, I guess there's a real need for us to be here. Hundred percent, and there's a real need for other women Hundred percent to be here, because this is some like. If this is how you're going to treat us just because we're in this space, whoo Right. You got some work to do still, which we do too.
Speaker 2:Right, but we're not saying we don't Right, we fucking own that. No, the thing that was like wild to me is like how much support we got from the women, and that's exactly what I'm like, what you're saying. It's like it just goes to show how needed this is for women in general, like we deserve to heal, we deserve to be empowered in ourselves, and if that's triggering to the men in your life to find your voice and to be empowered and to be yourself, they gotta go Right.
Speaker 1:Well, and I wanna add to that because I have been getting some hate from like people that I grew up with, oh, and you know comments like kind of like who does she think she is? What problems did she ever have? She was popular, just, and also just gossip, yeah and um, small towns, just, yeah, you know how the small towns be doing it.
Speaker 2:I do know how that works. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But again, it's just like the more that we're in this space and the longer that we're in this space, it just continues to confirm, like I'm supposed to continue to talk about my experiences and continue to talk.
Speaker 2:Like, like. It's like confirmation that you're in the right place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my ancestors told me to, so I'm gonna listen. They told me in a mushroom journey keep talking, keep sharing your voice and share the things that we didn't get to share.
Speaker 2:And we realized the irony of that, making it sound even fucking weirder and guess what I don't give a fuck, don't fucking care, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:But also, you wish you could talk to your ancestors.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, you wish.
Speaker 1:Fucking jealous bro, but. But I think when especially women show up big and show up as their authentic selves it is, it can be very triggering to a lot of people. Yes, to men on the internet and whatever and men in this psychedelic space, but to people who knew you, who knew past versions of you, who don't think that you deserve to share your story and share your truth, and yeah, it just.
Speaker 2:Triggering for exactly what you said, but for the women that it triggers.
Speaker 1:It's triggering the women who have not found their voice yet, yeah, and who think that it's not polite to speak out, or who don't stand up for themselves yeah, and a lot of wounded women don't like other women being big, yeah, and I hate that and I wish it was different and hopefully you know, the more women that heal, the less of a problem that will be. But it is what it is. But what's funny is like the more hate that we've gotten, the more it validates me and us and what we're doing yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like stay pressed yo.
Speaker 2:I guess, I don't know. But keep listening because you're helping. Well, it's interesting because we would get like a negative comment every now and then and I would say something to my husband and he'd be like I don't know why you guys let it bother you and we're like we don't, yeah, but we're gonna speak about it. Yeah, like I am losing zero sleep over this Right, but I enjoy like calling them out.
Speaker 1:When you texted me yesterday that comment yeah, I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 2:Well, because it was in our approved.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, okay, okay, I had to approve it. Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2:And I approved it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the other thing. We approve it Like I'm not hiding you, yeah. But when you sent it to me I literally responded back in all caps LOLOL, right. Because I'm like yeah, because again, those people who are making judgments or, you know, gossiping or whatever, they don't even know us. So why would I take what they say and internalize that as truth? I think, if it was just words, right.
Speaker 2:And I was just like, if it was bothering me, I would be like, why did he say that? Why do you think he's saying that? And I would like Old you would have really bothered you 100%. The first time we ever got something negative. It did yes, it really did yeah. But I was gonna say this is why I'm like not all men. There was someone who said oh, you guys jumped on the bandwagon and da, da, da, da, and we had like a dialogue between him, yeah, and at one point he like apologized and was like I guess I need I have some work to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know why that triggered me so much, but to that point I want to be like well, unless you were born into this, didn't you jump on a bandwagon too Right, Like isn't this what this wave is? Like this psychedelic renaissance wave, like people are just now waking up to it. So like we didn't jump on a bandwagon to be cool, Like we were in it before. It was big.
Speaker 1:Well, and also, we didn't jump on a bandwagon to be cool. We did this because we were suffering and it helped save our life, exactly. So, however you want to spin it Right, spin it that way, but it's something that really changed the trajectory of our lives personally, our relationships, how we parented, our friendships, everything. So if that's a bandwagon, all right, I'll fucking jump in. I'm leading it. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I think that there needs to be more love. That's so fucking appreciate to say no.
Speaker 2:I hear what you're saying, though, because it's like if the bandwagon we jumped on put us in a position where we were brave enough to speak on it publicly and other women are getting what they need from us speaking about it. That's a bandwagon I am happy to be a part of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because, yes, we have gotten hate, we've lost friendships, We've gotten judgments. I think about the message that that woman sent where she's like when you guys started your podcast and started your content, I was like, oh God, it's these two moms who are just talking about how they do drugs.
Speaker 2:I know exactly what you're talking about, but then she backtracked and what did she say? Like she listened to us and she did her own research and she was like oh there's and then she's like sending it to her friends. And she was like a friend of mine from before who's also in this space now, which I fucking love. Maybe one day she'll. I'll ask her, I'll read the message that she sent to us originally, because she was just like I just I thought you were like doing drugs and just talking about it.
Speaker 1:And I was worried about you. I love the ownership of that. I love the ownership of that. Like I was wrong Cause I used to be that person too, like if you, if I wasn't in this space.
Speaker 2:I take that back because you did talk about cannabis in a podcast before and I was like oh cool, yeah, but that's different, because the way that we talk about it is to educate and inform. Right, we're not like we got so fucked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, but I used to be a hater with all of this stuff and so I get I totally get it the judgment, yeah, yeah, but as much hate as we've gotten, it's again. It's reaffirming, because with that also comes people who see us, who see themselves in us, who relate to us, who we just got a message the other day, who someone who was suicidal, oh yeah, and she listened to our podcast and it gave her hope. So it's like if we get hate, but then we get a message like that or we build connections like that, pfff, keep hating, keep hating. Well, and also, if you keep listening, you're not really a hater, you're kind of a fan. I'm just saying like, if you keep watching our shit and you keep like trolling it, but whatever, I hate to break it to you, but you're actually helping us.
Speaker 1:You're helping the algorithm, bro, so yeah, and also our listener content and Right yeah, so thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that, so I also. So this is an episode to reintroduce ourselves, and why. First off, we've taken a very long hibernation break.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is the thing I was gonna say.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was wondering why I wanna bring it up to you, which I loved, by the way, fucking loved it and it's nothing.
Speaker 1:I took it so fucking serious. It's nothing against our listeners or anything, it's just you're a manifestor, I'm a projector. We need lots of downtime.
Speaker 2:We need rest. It's gonna be hard getting back into the swing of things but I'm excited. I am too. But a friend of mine yesterday sent me, or she sent it this morning. It was a TikTok and it was talking about we had a girls weekend. At one point there was an idea being thrown around to do vision boards and I was like you know, like I've looked into that and everybody does them at the beginning of the year, but it's really supposed to be like in the spring, because that's about new life, new beginnings.
Speaker 2:That's when, like, the animals start mating and the grass starts growing and everything's all right, and we're supposed to be hibernating right now, still right now, and if you go with like I don't know what the word is, but like there's some like cycle, that you follow, this flow that you follow Jenny Shanks was talking about it with us oh, okay, okay, but I can't remember the name of it. I don't know, but you're supposed to do things in this like cyclical version, like summer, spring, winter, fall, and also like throughout the day, like you're supposed to hibernate. Anyway, the TikTok was like the spring equinoxes, when it's new beginnings, like that's when you're supposed to create vision boards, set intentions. Like nobody's supposed to be going to the gym on January 1st because it's the start of a new year, like you're supposed to still be in hibernation mode, like you're supposed to come out when it's time. So now I'm like all right spring equinox.
Speaker 2:I'm totally on that March 19th it's a Tuesday. Vision boards let's do it High five boom.
Speaker 1:Shh, that was my high five Shh, I'm so down.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're gonna have a big year.
Speaker 1:This year we're gonna have a really big year, but see, between season one and season two, we did not take a break and we really suffered because of it. So it's something that it's just going to be.
Speaker 2:We're gonna do this every year. Yeah, yeah, november to March. Yeah, felt good, yes. So, speaking of all of that let's talk about, let's reintroduce ourselves in a way for our listeners to see the trajectory that we see. Okay, when we started this, we got pegged as the girls who do mushrooms.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The girls who talk about psychedelics, and we owned it. We're like, fuck, yeah, we do. We talk about this shit all day long, make you super uncomfy. But we had someone that we reached out to to be a guest and it kind of got this ball rolling and like this thought process for me rolling, where she was like you know, I love what you guys do.
Speaker 2:I just I can't come on the podcast because I have a lot of listeners and a lot of community who maybe wouldn't be as open to that and I would lose so many followers. And I was like, oh my god, but like that's not what we wanted to talk to you about, you know, and but I Looked at our page and I was like I can see how someone would think that sure, oh my gosh, yeah, we post a lot of content about psyched elix. We're like literally, there was like a mushroom emoji in our bio like and you know, I responded back and I was like I completely respect and understand that, but we're so much more than that. We've had so many guests on who we don't talk about psychedelics at all with, who have never touched them, and I realize that's the name that we've given ourselves and I want to take it back, well and I think that that's the name we gave ourselves, because that's what we both first did to really catapult into this space.
Speaker 1:One, that was our catalyst and two, that was what resonated with us when we started this podcast. Yes, but as we've, like, evolved with this podcast, we we say that every, every interview feels like integration. Yeah, so we've had people of all backgrounds come on to share their expertise, share their stories, whatever, and it's open our eyes to a lot of different healing modalities and so Like. I think that it's great that we started with that, because that's what resonated with us, but also, I also think it's great because the listeners are watching us also evolve and also learn and new like do new things.
Speaker 1:So, you know, example, season two we interviewed was it season two or season one? We interviewed Jenny shanks to medium Season two. She's a medium, never had been to a medium before and we interviewed her. I was like, wow, she's, she's great. So then I saw her for myself and I reconnected with my dad. The anger that I had for my dad is now more love for my dad and empathy, and empathy and compassion and More Love for my culture. So there are so many different modalities that we've learned about and then we've gone and done Right and so, yes, mushrooms are great, yes, mdma is great, but fuck yes, psychedelics, yes, yes, fuck, yes, psychedelics. They will always be a part of our healing always yeah every year I'm probably gonna do a mushroom, a mushroom journey.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say too, like that will always be my home.
Speaker 1:Yes, same same, but I also do breath work. I also see a medium, mm-hmm. I also do energy healing. I also do embodiment work, like we do some. That also, yeah, go to a therapist when I need to. There's there's so many things, a journal, there are so many things that we do now. So, yes, that is a part of us, right, but also there's a lot to us.
Speaker 2:We've been called like oh, you guys are like the mom's who do mushrooms. We're like that's a totally different platform which, by the way, we will have them on. Yes, We've been talking with the mom's on mushrooms, but that's what they talk about, that's what they do. We're I don't. I hate saying we're bigger than that. We're more than that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and here's the thing, we're much more than that. We've turned, we've morphed into so much more, and we are both three fives, so we are both as a three.
Speaker 1:In human design, we are meant to experiment, right, and so what we're doing with this podcast is you are watching us experiment with different modalities and, if there's one that resonates with you, amazing.
Speaker 2:And if it doesn't, yeah.
Speaker 1:We want you to go down that road, if that's what resonates with you. But, if it doesn't amazing Also cause there are other things that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2:We've done things that don't resonate with us.
Speaker 1:Yes, we have. We have done things where we're like fuck that, never do a mass again. That was not our medicine, right?
Speaker 2:But and others are like, I do it every day, I fucking love it and we're like, okay, yeah, yeah. So to anybody who's like also new and doesn't understand what human design is, that was like another modality that like we've really I have really fucking dove into and really tried to understand myself and the people around me and it's helped so much. But if you are unfamiliar with human design, highly suggest looking into what you are. But yeah, where our profile types are three in five, which is the experimenter and the martyr, the liberator.
Speaker 1:The person we suppose to speak.
Speaker 2:So can I go on a little side tangent with that. I was on Reddit the other day and somebody and on human design Reddit and somebody was talking about being a three five and how daunting that sounds Cause they were.
Speaker 2:I think they were in an unhealed place, cause they were like so my life is literally just meant to be failure after failure after failure, like when does that get better? I hate this and I almost responded, but I was like I'm gonna have to put so much thought into this response. But we have turned our three, five human design parts, the failure after failure after failure, into okay, now I'm gonna choose what to experiment with and I'm gonna stick with what I love and I'm gonna share my experience. So even if it doesn't resonate with me, it might resonate with you and you get to try it. So to me it's not about.
Speaker 2:I think the first part of my life was failure after failure after failure and experimenting and not finding anything. And now I'm empowered by it. So now I'm like yeah, let's try it. Yeah, why not? If it doesn't work, doesn't work and not, why not? You know, and our listeners know, I go down some motherfucking rabbit holes so deep that sometimes I have a hard time coming out of them. It's like my 80, 80 D, like super hyper focused on this one thing, and then I'm stuck on it. But we do our research, we talk to the professionals about it and then we're like huh, I'm gonna do that, mm-hmm, so yeah.
Speaker 1:I think about. I think it was our like third or fourth episode. We had this woman on named Molly and she was talking about astral projection. And if you go back to that interview again, I'm so green in this space. I had done one journey. I was like what's the baby? Yeah, I think I was like two months in or whatever, and Leah and Molly are talking so just nonchalantly about astral projection. And if you go back to the interview you should see my eyes, cause I was like first off, what the fuck is astral projection? And like I'm just like I think we have a clip of you literally like malving, what the fuck.
Speaker 2:And we're just talking about it Like, oh really, where'd you go? Right, right, what'd you see?
Speaker 1:I don't know what the fuck that meant. But now I do breath work. You've done it. And guess what I do during breath work?
Speaker 2:sometimes I astral project when are you going?
Speaker 1:I know yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just hanging out in the cosmos. Yeah, that's what I said to her too. I think I said that I was like I didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1:I think I was just like in out in nothing, and it wasn't that I was judging, it was just very new information that I didn't know what it meant. But again, there was an openness to it, an openness to learning it. And now I've done it and experimented and it's like, oh shit, I just astral projected. That's fucking crazy, but it's because we have this curiosity to us and this openness to try new things.
Speaker 2:Well, that's literally our fucking tagline, like be open, be curious, stay open, be curious. That's huge. Just be open to what we're talking about. And it doesn't have to resonate with you and not everything will, no, but if it does listen to your body, listen to your gut, your intuition. Anything to add to that? No.
Speaker 1:I think that's.
Speaker 2:I just want to be known as something different than the girls who do mushrooms. I'll wear that badge. It's great. Yeah, I do know an obscene amount of shit about mushrooms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do, but.
Speaker 2:I know so much more too. Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1:I guess I just don't want to be seen as people who are put in this box Because we're always going to change. Isn't that the point? Who knows, maybe two years from now this is not going to be true, but two years from now maybe we're like yeah, mushrooms really aren't our thing, because we found this. We're going to keep evolving and keep changing. So I think some of those older episodes to us are a little like oook, because we have changed a lot and we have become more empowered and yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's cool, though, for the people who have been with us since the beginning to watch.
Speaker 1:I know I just cried so much in that first episode. I was still so, really so it was still very fresh and I was still very wounded by it.
Speaker 2:I cry in every episode.
Speaker 1:I feel like yeah, you do, you just.
Speaker 2:Like I think it's like turned into a joke for a lot of people it has.
Speaker 1:It has, yeah, it has. We talk about it all the time. For sure, I'm OK with it. Yeah, but I think mine that episode it was just coming from still a little bit of a wounded place, yeah, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's OK too. I'm just thinking to myself, and we don't have to go into it just how much has changed in your life since then. Mine too. It's just crazy to think about, and I'm like, oh my god, that was only two years ago. Only two years ago, a big journey's been wild.
Speaker 1:A big comment that we get is people are say I want friends like that, or I wish I had somebody like that where I could be on the healing journey with, and so I just want to say to you, leah, like what a beautiful place to be in to have a friend to do this with. Like that's really. It really is so special because a lot of people don't have that, and you didn't have that when you first started, and I did because I had you, and so I feel very grateful because a lot of people they don't have their partner, they don't have a friend that sees them in that way, and I just feel very blessed that I've had you the entire time and that's our friendship too.
Speaker 2:Ok, can I add to that? Yeah, Don't cry, I'm gonna really try hard not to. You know, we have had a lot of. We've had some bonding experiences, like this break, that were necessary and needed and I really truly value our friendship so much and what we're doing in this space so much. But to add to that and this is gonna sound crazy I feel like I did lose a lot of friendships, and same with you. It has started and I think a lot of people are like think that it's not gonna happen to them, but some people are coming back.
Speaker 2:That's literally where I was going. That's where I was going. I have felt more supported by people closer to me, and it's like made room for better friendships, and the people that I have in my life and my very small circle are there for a reason. And my best friend, sarah, says this and I fucking love it. She was like we just we learned to speak the same language, and that's what it's starting to feel like, is I have very few people in my circle now, but we're starting to speak the same language and I think that that's a beautiful thing. And then, yeah, what you were saying, like where I once felt disconnected, I'm feeling more connected. They're also in this space, so it kind of it kind of helps, it's a bonus plus. And so to anybody who is, I think, newer in this healing journey and feeling like you're losing support, losing friendships, I think we can both say like it gets better, it does get better.
Speaker 1:It may get rough for a little while. It gets rough it you know it can be really hurtful when people don't see you and lonely. Yes, or you feel like people are judging you or they're not supportive. But you know, sounds so cliche, but when one door closes, another one opens, and so, even though there are people where I'm like, oh. I just really.
